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    Posted: 04 Apr 12 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by rogerd

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
 
not my quote but sums up this thread I think.
 
Thanks to T Rosevelt

Well said Roger. Well said.

Now FFS Graeme, never mind the b*ll*cks, get out there in a breeze  Tongue
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James, I think most folks have predicted this would be a flop from the second we set sight on the design.
Hats off for trying something but come on it looks awful....His money and time to waste I suppose.....but don't keep making outrageous claims about its potential performance.
Admit defeat and get a vortex or something like that.
I still think the much better concept was Andy Patersons big winged singlehander a year or so ago that he took so far then moved off.
That to me is the way grumpf should be looking.
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I suspect if the blaze had a kite this thread would not exist.......
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Originally posted by timeintheboat

I suspect if the blaze had a kite this thread would not exist.......

I suspect if the Blaze had a kite the D-One and RS100 wouldn't exist either... well not in any significant numbers that's for sure.

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There's a lot of love for the blaze this week???????
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Originally posted by haroosh

James, I think most folks have predicted this would be a flop from the second we set sight on the design.
Hats off for trying something but come on it looks awful....His money and time to waste I suppose.....but don't keep making outrageous claims about its potential performance.
Admit defeat and get a vortex or something like that.
I still think the much better concept was Andy Patersons big winged singlehander a year or so ago that he took so far then moved off.
That to me is the way grumpf should be looking.



I think it's too early to write it off... just as every boat has a compromise, every one will have its time to shine.  Whether or not the range of that shine is broad enough is another issue. 

Although even that doesn't really matter, all that counts is that it will need to work on short chop with a dumpy coast, in F4 sea breeze being helmed by 65kg bloke of (respectfully) desk-jockey performance... as I doubt for one minute anyone else would buy this off him if he sacks it.

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Originally posted by haroosh

There's a lot of love for the blaze this week???????


au contraire- there is and has always been a lot of perplexity and confusion.

On the one hand it was an 'obvious' candidate to get a kite, but that would slashed the fleet in two, probably even more as some would want a w/l weapon with a 12+sqm whereas  others would like the 'sh*ts n giggles' kite that really wouldn't add much VMG downwind, but could at least be used on a reach.  

It's what the market might have wanted at first glance wasn't it?  Certainly the buzz from the RS100 could have been easily channelled into 300 new boat sales 4 years ago now when the only viable competition was the Vareo.... but how many would have stuck with it for club racing?  Asymmetrics rarely seem to pay unless it's a noddy kite like on a 200.

Does the UK sailing's infrastructure really support singlehanded asymmetrics?  Even if it did, would windward/leewards get boring week-in/week-out?  I don't know, I've never had the luxury to find out...  it's never taken off at our sailing club, which is one of the biggest inland puddles in the UK, but then we've got a certain resistance toward it that previously I've abhorred, but more recently have begun to appreciate.

So have Cirrus done the right thing, holding fire on this asymmetric hype- riding out the vocal 'wtf are you thinking- bang a kite on it Mike' mantra of a few years back?  I don't know, but maybe Mike was right all along- incremental development seems to work for the long term of the class and it's growing.  I know one respected dinghy journalist and commentator was not overly impressed with either the D1 or RS100 for club racing for this very reason- it simply doesn't fit with the club racing on offer at most clubs.

I'm keen as the next person to sail a kited boat, but I'm realistic now to know if there were a few Blazes at Draycote I'd happily join them and to be honest, we wouldn't need to 'overhaul' the club racing programme to get good sailing to do it.  It would fit alongside the Lasers & Solos as good singlehanded option.  I'll see what develops over the next 12 months at club level, the 300 is still very much a good option too... always a Solo to fall back on.  



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is there an optimum weight range for a blaze?
the same, but different...

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It's broad as it has adjustable racks...

"The Blaze is suitable for a wide range of helm weights, typically 11 to 16 stone."

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Flop? Flop ffs! If it were do you think for one moment I would give a flying feck as to what a bunch of know nothing arse draggers, content and gullible enough to buy into the crap they are served up constantly in the name of 'fun' think? Buying  inherently unsafe boats that you couldn't take out without the benefit of a rescue launch to hold steady enough for you to get back into if you fall out, call that a success? 
A good marketing con maybe as is the MPS, one we all fell for, but at least the Soslows and Streakers don't offer more than they deliver..
All those RS700's laying idle at Hayling that's a success?
The second hand value of a 49er? I bet they really hold their value - er not.

The Blaze is a success in that it delivers without pretention as does the Phantom and as do a few others..

Had the builder not been under pressure and then closed, or if I find a builder locally and there is rumoured to be one Neal knows off, then another hull could be fashioned or this one modified to make it go better in  light wind, but first lets see what she can do unmodified over the course of the summer months.

You can't take the word of some muppet who hasn't the balls to even introduce himself in his desperation to troll a load of b**locks...
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