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Thanks for the reply Paul. So I suppose it would be a bit quicker to hike and keep it upright, but you are less slowed down with a bit of heel than you would be in a normal dinghy. That should keep the racing tight between the young and fit and the old and wise.
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tickler ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 07 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 895 |
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With me old model boats 10 rater and A class both worked on a waterline/sail area computation (only we had no computers then), longer waterline less sail. Boats were designed to get longer as they heeled. I suppose some big boats do this?
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Paul Handley ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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Yes, the jib boom looks good on these boats and appears to be the same arrangement as we've used on the prototype, although I can't see if there are any other control lines being used. Anyway I'm sure we will get the jib boom to work well on the K1 too. The hull isn't really working better at an angle of heel, just the more the boat heels the more righting moment is gained from the keel bulb. So the hull has to be effective when heeled as well as upright, as for any yacht. With a long, narrow hull the underwater shape hardly changes as the boat heels so the boat remains well balanced and light on the helm when well heeled. Any change in the waterline length will be negligible because of the narrow transom and absence of overhang. |
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Paul, the video on this page shows a modified NS14 with a similar jib boom arrangement. It seems to work pretty well. How is the hull designed to work better at an angle of heel? Are the waterlines a better shape when heeled, say, 10 degrees, or does the waterline length somehow increase? I thought you needed overhangs to get an increase in length?. |
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farc anal ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 07 Location: one stop short of Tooting Online Status: Offline Posts: 54 |
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make it 19'6" long big assymetric
wings to sit on
praps would buy one when i get more wrinkled
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Paul Handley ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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I've learnt today that some Int Canoes use jib booms, so they can work well on dinghies as well as model yachts. Weed could be an issue but the keel is slightly raked towards the bulb, i.e. its not forward protruding like SB3, Melges etc. I don't know what the Martin 16 keel arrangement is though |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Jib booms on the N12 certainly didn't work, but on a one design, where absolute speed isn't an issue, it could make sense. If I sailed somewhere which didn't have weed (the Martin 16's really get caught) and shallow bits, I'd be very interested.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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asterix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 621 |
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simply solved with a life line though?
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Jeremyc ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 110 |
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Looks fun, but to me the big issue would be when you fell out of it after missing a toe strap. Unlike the 2.4m or the illusion in which you are secure in the hull, if you fell out of this it would probably just sail off a reasonable distance before luffing up!
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N12- pure joy
D-Zero more pure joy |
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Jon711 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 465 |
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Jib boom(s) were tried on the National 12 by Malcolm Mackley. They were just not as competitive against the "traditionally" rigged boat. The lack of jib overlap in the slot, killed it....
I like this boat, I want to sail it.... |
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