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    Posted: 24 Sep 09 at 8:13am

Thanks for the reply Paul.  So I suppose it would be a bit quicker to hike and keep it upright, but you are less slowed down with a bit of heel than you would be in a normal dinghy.  That should keep the racing tight between the young and fit and the old and wise.

 

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With me old model boats 10 rater and A class both worked on a waterline/sail area computation (only we had no computers then), longer  waterline less sail. Boats were designed to get longer as they heeled. I suppose some big boats do this?
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Originally posted by Peaky

Paul, the video on this page shows a modified NS14 with a similar jib boom arrangement.  It seems to work pretty well.

How is the hull designed to work better at an angle of heel?  Are the waterlines a better shape when heeled, say, 10 degrees, or does the waterline length somehow increase? I thought you needed overhangs to get an increase in length?.


Yes, the jib boom looks good on these boats and appears to be the same arrangement as we've used on the prototype, although I can't see if there are any other control lines being used.  Anyway I'm sure we will get the jib boom to work well on the K1 too.

The hull isn't really working better at an angle of heel, just the more the boat heels the more righting moment is gained from the keel bulb.  So the hull has to be effective when heeled as well as upright, as for any yacht.  With a long, narrow hull the underwater shape hardly changes as the boat heels so the boat remains well balanced and light on the helm when well heeled.  Any change in the waterline length will be negligible because of the narrow transom and absence of overhang. 
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Paul, the video on this page shows a modified NS14 with a similar jib boom arrangement.  It seems to work pretty well.

How is the hull designed to work better at an angle of heel?  Are the waterlines a better shape when heeled, say, 10 degrees, or does the waterline length somehow increase? I thought you needed overhangs to get an increase in length?.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote farc anal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Sep 09 at 10:03pm

make it 19'6" long

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wings to  sit on

 

praps would buy one when i get more wrinkled

 

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Originally posted by Rupert

Jib booms on the N12 certainly didn't work, but on a one design, where absolute speed isn't an issue, it could make sense. If I sailed somewhere which didn't have weed (the Martin 16's really get caught) and shallow bits, I'd be very interested.


I've learnt today that some Int Canoes use jib booms, so they can work well on dinghies as well as model yachts.

Weed could be an issue but the keel is slightly raked towards the bulb, i.e. its not forward protruding like SB3, Melges etc.  I don't know what the Martin 16 keel arrangement is though
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Jib booms on the N12 certainly didn't work, but on a one design, where absolute speed isn't an issue, it could make sense. If I sailed somewhere which didn't have weed (the Martin 16's really get caught) and shallow bits, I'd be very interested.
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simply solved with a life line though?
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Looks fun, but to me the big issue would be when you fell out of it after missing a toe strap. Unlike the 2.4m or the illusion in which you are secure in the hull, if you fell out of this it would probably just sail off a reasonable distance before luffing up!
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Originally posted by tickler

With a small thin long keelboat like this would it not be very quick upwind in pre planing conditions? Also as a round bilge boat it would not suffer from that horrible chine dig in we experience in our Tasar when not sailed flat. I like the jib boom and have never understood why dinghies have never tried this. We had them on racing model yachts in my distant youth and by adding tension to the jib luff it held the tack down. If I had any money, and somewhere to sail it (not a pond) I would have one. Why this prototype encourages such ire from GRF escapes me. Why would his psychological security be threatened by a small lump of lead?

 

Jib boom(s) were tried on the National 12 by Malcolm Mackley.  They were just not as competitive against the "traditionally" rigged boat.   The lack of jib overlap in the slot, killed it....

 

I like this boat, I want to sail it....

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