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    Posted: 11 Dec 08 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by FireballNeil

He's your alter ego in the music industry

He thinks he was once amazing

In relity he's a nobody

He thinks he knows all

In reality he knows f*** all

and nobody likes him...

Im sure you'd get along brilliantly.....

 

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According to Google he is/was participating in I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here and making a complete t**t of himself as he deliberately winds the other competitors up as part of some game plan.

Struggling to see the analogy myself
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hollandsd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 08 at 8:27am
Originally posted by bert

Well Ross is right it has become boring & sounds like anger.

I found that after you ( G.R.F ) were banned the last time & came back you "mellowed" abit & you started to win back friends from you detactors also the techinical answers that you gave were easily understandible & helpful,

That was brilliant & I for one say thank you.

But it has degenerated down to the level again where when I see GRF in a thread I tend to slip pass that thread, because I feel it will be become a shouting match again,You unfortuatly beleave that the fun are having is being enjoyed across the board & everybody is laughing with you,The truth is properly alot differant. 

 

 

I find the opposite, when ever graham has posted i rush straight for that post to see who he is winding up next... i know graham well enough to be more immune to his baiting....

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It is indeed a pity they have to resort to such bitter childish personal
attacks everytime, and it wont be long before they go running to teacher
again.

They just don't get this 'banter' thing, probably never been to a proper
regatta, had a few beers in the bar, taken the piss out of fellow
competitors in a light hearted vein.

You can tell those that have, Wing Wang, Rick, Doug H and probably even
Bert..

Where I was going with this in its' bantery wind up, was to hopefully
prompt a retort from someone who can sail a laser, to put me in my
place with a bit of what I'd have to put up with..

Like this guy on SA, classic post about what I could expect ..

[quote name='miahmouse' date='Dec 9 2008, 08:24 PM' post='2030492']

The Deathroll - a guide

Step 1 - Realizing you're completely f**ked...
The exact point at which you need to realize you're completely f**ked will
vary and comes later and later with experience. For some, its the first
moment the boat starts to wobble going downwind, for others its when
the last twitch of the tiller was too much or the yank on the mainsheet
wasn't enough. Either way, knowing your moment be it early or late is
paramount to both executing and recovering from the death roll.

Step 2 - Execution of the perfect death roll...
The execution of the perfect death roll entails several key points; style,
recovery planning and timing/placement. The easiest yet often
overlooked element of the death roll is timing. The most opportune
moments to perform this maneuver are directly to leeward of the
windward mark and directly to windward of the leeward mark.
Performing a death roll at the opportune time near those two points is
certain to make you the hero of the day. It also serves to encourage
others to join in the fun of a death roll, a result you may see if you get
your timing right. Style and recovery planning are linked in a way, they
will often increase and decrease in direct relation to each other. They're
also both linked directly to knowing the moment at which you're
completely f**ked as you must know that moment to execute any style or
recovery planning.
- The most basic method of death roll is to be caught completely by
surprise and ride it all the way down without a word, the look on your
face will out you as an amateur.
- A slightly more complicated technique is to let out a battle cry as you
reach your moment and proceed to ride it down (points are deducted if
you scream like a little girl).
- Next would be the spider monkey over the side combined with a swan
dive. This method shows the beginning of recovery planning as you'll
now be on the correct side of your newly capsized vessel.
- Even more complicated is the spider monkey front-flip handspring. As
you desperately clamor up to the new high side of your doomed vessel
you then lunge at the daggerboard hands first just as the mast hits the
water. This method can be risky as when slightly misjudged will result in
a daggerboard-faceplant or slug slide down the side.
- The pinnacle of deathrolling is the railslide. This is performed
beginning with a spidermonkey over the side, pausing and balancing
ones self on the rail and riding it down to the bow as the mast hits the
water. Extra points are added for a rebel yell on the way to the bow.

Step 3 - Recovery
So your moment has come and past and now you've got to sort all the
crap out and get going again. If time isn't of essence, hoist your sorry
ass up onto the daggerboard, reach in and grab the mainsheet and tiller,
flip the main down and bob the mast till its no longer pointing into the
wind. If your recent cockup is about to cost you the race, grab onto the
board and pop the mast into the air holding on as it takes you for a ride.

Now take a moment and enjoy all the applause you're getting if you did it
with style and perfect timing. And yes, your water bottle is now floating
away...
[/quote]

Get some imagination will you, fight fire with fire and ffs dont take it
seriously, try and spot the absurd from the serious...






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In Grumpfs defense he is no longer offensive; he's just winding us all up. The best form of defense in these situations is attack ... I am assured he has skin thick enough so fill yer boots ...
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That death roll description was just so horribly familiar......  

I don't find grumpf offensive.  I just know that he is a little misunderstood (the onset of senility does such things to the brain) and yet probably deserves the abuse he gets.  I try not to abuse him though, as I feel sorry for him and therefore attempt to teach him the error of his ways.

He loves it.
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So enough of the sympathy, I find that worse than the FrancoCatSymm
offensive, explain to me why a death roll occurs, what is it.

Is it because the centreboard wont come all the way up for fear of
interacting with the boom in a gybe, I assume you do pull the CB up when
its very windy, how far do you pull it, do you take it all the way out?

What happens?
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Apparently mine were happening (dead downwind, obviously) because I had the lethal combination of too much board up, causing the boat to rock, combined with not enough kicker on, making the rig unstable.  So I now know not to pull the board up too much, unless it's light - medium stuff, and to put more kicker on than I would expect to.  Clearly these are lessons taught by the contnder, other boats may well differ.

In Kingston it was very light and I went fast dead downwind in the very light but having next to no board down - you don't need it, and sailing by the lee, which was scary at first but I actually grew to love it.  I have yet to understand it, but hey, who cares if it works?

My centreboard gets nowhere near the boom, btw.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

So enough of the sympathy, I find that worse than the FrancoCatSymm offensive,

I suspect a group luv'in would get old Grumpfs going more than any leg pulling we could deliver ....

Originally posted by G.R.F.

... explain to me why a death roll occurs, what is it.

The death roll is most common to boats with no shrouds, i.e. Lasers and Toppers.

It is usually caused by letting the main too far out, slack kicker and little daggerboard.

The twist in the very eased sail, perhaps more than 90 degrees pushs the mast to windward, people then try and correct this by steering, usually the wrong way and moving their weight. This can then result in a posative feedback system that ossciilates wildly out of control.

Unfortunatly Lasers seem to go fastest on a run in a breeze when on the verg of instability.

Personally I quite enjoy sailing Lasers like this and deliberatly set the boat up to start rolling ... it's quite good fun.

The Rooster Laser DVD's have and excellent section on this whole business and I recommend them.

The rule is if you get a big windward roll BEARAWAY ... don't try and luff as this makes things worse. The boat goes a long way before the boom flips and if it does flip well you can just gybe back ...



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yeah, I learned lots from the rooster dvd.
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