Clubs still allowing sailing

I believe this whole affair has been a gross over reaction, based on the dubious advice of that one discredited 'expert' Ferguson.

I believe this whole affair has been a gross over reaction, based on the
 dubious advice of that one discredited 'expert' Ferguson. 

Outside the UK  "Who is Ferguson" is/would be the view .. this is a world phenomena NOT a UK one.  As said previously believe what you like, as is so predictable of course.  But let's indulge you at least briefly for a bit of entertainment  - So what possibly could be the motive ?  

(But if I were you  I'd stick to just talking sailing b***ocks .....  at least we could still titter at the 'logic' employed.   )

Edited by Cirrus - 26 Apr 20 at 8:28pm

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Cirrus Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cirrus Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Clubs still allowing sailing Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 8:26pm
	I believe this whole affair has been a gross over reaction, based on the dubious advice of that one discredited 'expert' Ferguson. Outside the UK "Who is Ferguson" is/would be the view .. this is a world phenomena NOT a UK one. As said previously believe what you like, as is so predictable of course. But let's indulge you at least briefly for a bit of entertainment - So what possibly could be the motive ? (But if I were you I'd stick to just talking sailing b***ocks ..... at least we could still titter at the 'logic' employed. ) Edited by Cirrus - 26 Apr 20 at 8:28pm

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 8:16pm
	Making a very simple thing into a major conspiracy, you will be out burning G5 masts next, for a conspiracy to have any credence, you need to say what you think it is, I could say they are doing it to see how fast nature can repair world or the virus is spread by car fumes, that's why they have locked us up to reduce pollution.
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ian.r.mcdonald Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440	Post Options Post Reply Quote ian.r.mcdonald Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 8:05pm
	My niece is just starting her third straight 12 hour night shift on a Covid ward. There are a few spare beds which is good but without the controls this would be very different. Being totally free is great, but not as appealing if you are sick or worse. Edited by ian.r.mcdonald - 26 Apr 20 at 8:10pm

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 8:04pm
	Of course no one likes being locked up GRF, and there has obviously been irresponsible reporting and hysteria. That is the curse of the 21st century - 24hr news outlets looking to fill space. But filter out all the noise and there is one simple stat. Normally at this time of year there are about 10,000 deaths in England & Wales every week. Currently there are about 18,000 a week. Almost twice as many people are dieing as is normal. That is even with the lockdown measures in place.

Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 7:56pm
	I pretty agree with most of the sentiments expressed in the two posts above, I fact I deleted a post saying much what Riv said. Over-reaction? Actually I'm not sure about that, and its better to over-react than underestimate. But we are - thankfully - nowhere even close to the projected numbers when this first started to kick off. The true reckoning on this will be in how we go forward I think. And we should definitely be scrutinising and holding to account those who have restricted our liberty. That is the difference between 2020 Europe and 1930's Germany/Italy/Spain. Edited by Paramedic - 26 Apr 20 at 8:00pm

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 7:50pm
	The reality is A&E's are empty, that 4000 bed hospital? Empty. There will be a spike, like those doctors said, but that's because we've all been cooped up and our natural immunity has been weakened by it. I've NEVER had hay fever, yet today on my bike ride for exercise that I use to replace my sunday sailing, I'm sniffling and sneezing like a covid victim, if I were less analytical I'd be blocking the 111 lines. I believe this whole affair has been a gross over reaction, based on the dubious advice of that one discredited 'expert' Ferguson. I'm entitled to an opinion, you lot may disagree, I believe you've all been media brain washed, I believe the Government had also been misinformed but politicians are more scared of the media than they are of ruining a few businesses. We have never in our entire history allowed our civil rights and libertys to be so abused and we should be questioning, not meekly accepting all the bullsh*t we're being fed. Edited by iGRF - 26 Apr 20 at 7:51pm
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Riv Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 23 Nov 13 Location: South Devon Online Status: Offline Posts: 353	Post Options Post Reply Quote Riv Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 7:39pm
	It is important to ask questions. We have temporarily given up a lot of liberty to reduce the impact of Covid. We all need to ask questions to ensure that we get that liberty back. Remember Pastor Martin Niemoller's famous quotation. Let's be vigilant.
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423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 7:06pm
	Griff, covid19 blocks up intensive care units, that's the simple answer, if NHS had been swamped accident victims, stroke victims add all the things that can cause you to need an ambulance, then add these to covid19 cases, it rapidly gets out of control, then Doctors have to make live or die decisions, Kate Garraways husband been in intensive care for over a month, times that by thousands.
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Cirrus Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cirrus Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 6:39pm
	'Altered reality' Really ? ... Believe what you want, and if you do not want to accept the abundantly obvious reality of Covid-19 then fine - but do not expect the rest of us to agree or to follow. Statistics and especially the interpretation of them is a massive field. To cut to the chase - the bottom line here is that you will always find just about any interpretation has an outlying ‘expert’ or two to 'verify' if you look widely enough. They will support just about any view you like or possibly already hold. The data does not change though. Always remind yourself it is generally possible to find 'plausable' sources to confirm just about anything - just possibly though they represent an extremely small minority of experts. If you do nothing more just consider current 'excess deaths' in this Covid instance and then do explain so the rest of us, the reasonable majority for most of the time, can 'get it' and recognise the 'underlying conspiracy' you imply. Edited by Cirrus - 26 Apr 20 at 6:45pm

Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 20 at 6:36pm
	It may be socially unacceptable but its actually quite hard to disagree. We will never actually know what would have happened had we done nothing. Its been said by a group of UK scientists that the measures/advice put into place pre the current restrictions did significantly impact on the infection rate. Of course these measures will do that too - the question is did we need to do it? At the time it was the right thing to do.