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    Posted: 26 Mar 18 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Old Timer


]The Finns have a very well oiled lobbying machine and I expect them to retain their slot. 


This is the more likely outcome.. the whole sport could lose the slot but Finns would appear somewhere probably in the weightlifting competition.
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Isn't this the ultimate 'ISM' ??? trying to standardise the human shape and remove gender, so someone who is 6'6" and someone who is 5'4" have to be in the same boat, male or female, doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Isn't this the ultimate 'ISM' ??? trying to standardise the human shape and remove gender, so someone who is 6'6" and someone who is 5'4" have to be in the same boat, male or female, doesn't make sense.

It’s a circus, just like a great many other events are, or are, becoming.  Shabby sponsorship and tv money chasing, events with little or no sporting history or athletic challenge (admittedly worse at winter than summmer games) and ticket/construction ‘scandals’ becoming the norm, rather than exception.

As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 
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I like the finn. I also think there should be a higher focus on the quality of racing from the athlete perspective. 

I think extreme sports can be easy to sell short term. But harder to keep attention once you've got past the awe of speed / risk. And that comes from a skiff sailor. To keep people entertained for longer they need to relate to the sailors. Be able to follow their story through an event.  

Plenty of the best sports for watching are essentially simple and slow. But if the viewer can identify with the struggle of the competitors they will watch. So for this, a Finn, with all the boats  in frame, I think makes good viewing. 

I think more than the boats we need to focus on the venues and on board media. People have always been able to to watch appreciate a track event. But technology it really making a difference to how people can appreciate sailing. I'm optimistic that the future for sailing as a spectator sport will improve, as it seems a sport which can benefit most from media technological improvements.
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Originally posted by getafix

 

As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 

Because they know what happens to classes when they lose the Olympic slot, name me one example of a class that has thrived following deselection?
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Originally posted by Old Timer


Originally posted by getafix

 
As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 

Because they know what happens to classes when they lose the Olympic slot, name me one example of a class that has thrived following deselection?


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Originally posted by salmon80

Originally posted by Old Timer

name me one example of a class that has thrived following deselection?

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According to the class report to ISAF in 2002 there had been 197 boats built in the last 5 years, in 2017 72. In 2001 the worlds had competitors from 26 nations, in 2016 13. In 2002 42 Nations had paid class subs, in 2017 25. In spite of a publicity machine nearly as effective as the Finn and financial resources beyond most classes wildest dreams the numbers suggest its in a significant decline.

[although to be fair I was expecting it to be worse than that]

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I think that the Finn would survive just fine - there is nothing comparable that can take such weight variations or had been developed so well over the years

The cost of the kit might drop ?

Unlike some classes (470, 49er, Nacra etc etec etc) the vast majority of Finn sailors are NOT Olympic aspirants



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Originally posted by rich96

I think that the Finn would survive just fine - there is nothing comparable that can take such weight variations or had been developed so well over the years

The cost of the kit might drop ?

Unlike some classes (470, 49er, Nacra etc etec etc) the vast majority of Finn sailors are Olympic aspirants


Don’t understand ... Finn has a big following of Masters, Grand masters with no Olympic aspirations, and frankly when Ainslie and Scott were/are sailing it was hard to see the Olympic aspiration of any of the other GBR Finn sailors.

Whereas, I see very little activity in 470, 49’er or Naxra that is not Olympic focused.

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Yes - should the unthinkable happen the Finn will be well supported.

Does that simple fact demonstrate that it, and other boats like it, are far more representative of what we all sail and what we chose to sail?

i.e most of the other Olympic classes are not ?
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