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    Posted: 04 May 17 at 7:41pm
would be for my club, we haven't got that many boats in total.
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I think you are so keen to avoid paying anything, you have not read my post properly.
Btw 23 boats isn't that great for a weds evening is it?
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If the payment was a means to reduce annual subs for those who can only sail at the club occasionally then it might be a goer, I can only sail Wednesday evenings during the season as I'm away my caravan most weekends and usually committed to something else otherwise. 

An additional series fee would mean I would not race the occasional Sunday I'm not away and would only sail the first and last series as I'd miss 5 weeks in the summer. Or I might not rejoin next year as it would be harder to justify a sub plus series fees for, maybe, 20 races. I can enter the winter series (which I can sail most of) for around 1/3rd of the annual sub and not need to join the club.

Mind you the club series at Leigh & Lowton are pretty well attended, 23 boats last Wednesday, similar at the weekends and 50+ for the open winter series' so they do ok.

BTW If you scrapped series' how would you justify an additional 'sailing fee' anyway?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

The incentive to race a series is there in the form of a minimum number of races to count and large points allocated to DNC results effectively taking you out of the places if you can't discard them. Which, incidentally means that those who can only race some of the series are racing for the fun of it on the day rather than with hopes of a result).
But this is the point, isn't it?  This incentive clearly doesn't work, people take each race day as a race in isolation, and the series is an irrelevance. I believe series races are poorly attended partly because they have become irrelevant - either they should be scrapped or improved somehow.  If there was a mixture whereby some series you could just rock up, but others you had to commit to (some how, not sure how if the nominal payment is so offensive to so many), I think the different series would grow different identities. 
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The difference there is that it those are team games. If you wanna play, you have to support the team or you wont't get picked next time. How would any committment be enforced? The only method I've seen is thru the minimum number of races to qualify. Even that is a bit weak because a hotshot who has to count a bunch of DNC's won't beat over a series Mr. Steady who turns out every week and finishes - wherever he finishes. However, when I - against all the sooth-sayers and doom-mongers advice - increased the qualification threshold from under 50% to over 50% participation actually increased.
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The incentive to race a series is there in the form of a minimum number of races to count and large points allocated to DNC results effectively taking you out of the places if you can't discard them. Which, incidentally means that those who can only race some of the series are racing for the fun of it on the day rather than with hopes of a result).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 17 at 2:27pm
Okay, if not even a nominal fee how about some form of commitment to a series? It is both a strength and weakness of sailing that you are free to come and go. Cricket, rugby, rowing etc require you to commit specific dates to support your team mates.
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No, racing is a core activity for most clubs and is one of the few activities that generates boats on the water week on week. Anything that puts more cost/obstacles in the way of that is madness IMHO.
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It depends on the club, surely.

If a coastal club has the only feasible small boat facility in a small harbour say, and a very large percentage of the membership has never had the slightest interest in racing then some means of allocating the extra expense of racing facilities only to those who want them is probably fair, especially if the basic subs need to be held down.

If on the other hand its an inland club founded purely for racing which doesn't really want to encourage non racers then absolutely not.


Edited by JimC - 04 May 17 at 1:53pm
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More admin for the volunteers....No thanks
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