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    Posted: 18 Jul 14 at 1:38pm
Unfortunately the 're-arranged' dates have meant that the Icon 'CA' are on holiday at Aberwhatsit and Cirrus are supporting a Blaze event and running boat demonstrations in Lymington...  All pre-arranged and non-changeable  Cry

Have a great event though and anyone interested in Icon could get in direct contact after the weekend.... Cirrus and the CA will have several boats avialable at 'Sailfest' next month but still have one boat left for potential loan in the meantime plus we/they can run ad hoc tasters on demand.... just keep asking.

Greame ... try that Tasar if you get a chance !.

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Should anyone want to read the Tasar manual then it can be found at http://www.tasar.org/?Itemid=22  There's lots of information there, regarding theory, set up and technique , though bear in mind it was written 30 odd years ago.  The sails have changed with the introduction of laminate sails but most of the content is just as relevant today.  The fully battened mainsail does not like very light conditions as the battens can be difficult to "pop" when tacking and the roach of the jib can get caught on the diamonds, frustrating to say the least.  The whisker pole is deliberately made long to enable the boat to sail the run at angles rather than dead down wind.  Despite its foibles it is a very comfortable and rewarding boat to sail, especially on a close reach.
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Originally posted by blaze720



Greame ... try that Tasar if you get a chance !.Mike L.



Hmm a bit clunky for my liking all that 'spannering' would wind me up, I very nearly took it out for a play on wednesday, but anything that's slower than me sailing an EPS with it's old sail isn't going to appeal, but it is light. We're veering towards a V3000, we had a blinding battle with one last night managed to hold it off until the penultimate run when a gust caught us being a bit lazy about a down wind soaky wing wanged gybe and we went over. Until then the wing wang had held them off, they were chasing high angles looking for wind we were soaking deep fully 'wanged' unable to hold it if we went high, what's needed in the market is a super light wash through trap boat with wing wang kite capability, and retracting centreboard that's what we want.
The Alto is a write off if you capsize, the V3000 is a write off if the wind drops, the Icon has been neutered by it's handicap, the RS500 is just too plain unmanageable and also suffers no wing wang.

There are no perfect boats.

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Jeez Graeme for someone that hates old stuff you do seem to hanker after most of the dross that was launched in the 90's
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Originally posted by Null

Jeez Graeme for someone that hates old stuff you do seem to hanker after most of the dross that was launched in the 90's


Er because that's all there is?
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Well you got a couple of options then buddy.
1) Import something like an MG14 from Australia and modify it to meet your criteria (fit centre board)
2) Buy an ex prototype or demo Icon and make your own boat that works!  An Icon with a swinging kite and trapeze.
If there was much of a market for this type of boat the Alto would of sold in 'some' volume, the 4000, Buzz, Iso etc.  would be around properly.  
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3)Convert a Phantom, with a jib, wingwang kite trap.... two normal sized people = one phantom sailor, rock n roll!

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Originally posted by iGRF

3)Convert a Phantom,

But why on earth would you want to use a 1971 hull design when so much was learned in the 70s and 80s?
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Having taken part in 3 Tasar Championships (UK Nationals, Europeans & Worlds) in the mid 80's and having spent many happy hours chatting to Charlie McKee (9 times Tasar World Champ & current US Sailing High Performance Director - http://www.sailracingmagazine.com/features/charlie-mckee-us-sailing-high-performance-director) I well remember how important he felt kicker tension was when it came to making Tasars go quickly, especially upwind. So much so, he used to get Becky (his crew at the time) to continually play the kicker & the jib.

Without question Tasars are very technical boats to sail and if you get it right they're an absolute joy, but if you can't get your head around what you should be doing with the various controls I would accept that they can become a bit frustrating..........

In addition to the typical Enterprise type controls, not only do you have the 'spanner' and the jib stick to master, but you also have shroud runners (to rake the mast forward on the run), both mainsheet & mainsheet traveller to play going upwind & a raking daggerboard to control.

There's loads of info on the CA site - http://www.tasar.org/racing-a-sailing
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by iGRF

3)Convert a Phantom,

But why on earth would you want to use a 1971 hull design when so much was learned in the 70s and 80s?

I know some designers who reckon that some of the advances of the newer hull designs can rely on them being sailed upright, whereas the older hulls can sometimes tolerate more heel. Therefore a less expert crew can do better on an older-style hull in some situations.

S'pose that's one reason????


Edited by Chris 249 - 19 Jul 14 at 12:02pm
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