D-Zero

It's a matter also of residual value. I am not going to pay nearly six grand for something that will be worth a fraction of that at the hands of these bozos.

Ask any Phantom owner how much his boat is now worth.

Ask Icon owners.

Like it or not this has commercial ramifications.

All the usual nonsense. The only way to know exactly how fast a boat is is to race it for a while, with different helms and different conditions. "setting a number" is simply guesswork. As for the crap about taking legal action, how exactly does that help anything? If you won, there would be no one willing to run a handicapping system, but I'm not exactly sure that any one would see a case like that as anything but a whinging old man complaining that his toy hasn't been allowed to win a race against other little toys.

Times are changing, I've never raced anything other than PY, the only events growing are PY events so it has to be resolved.

The Manufacturer must set a rating, it should be in place for a minimum of two seasons, as I said on Facebook just now, if the Manufacturer then abuses the system and it comes home, he can then be taken to task under the sale of goods act and misrepresentation.

Product values should not be devalued in this way, all those Icon, Phantom owners have lost thousands, now maybe the Phantom owners you could say 'serves you right' but not everyone purchases because of the 'bandit' status, some genuinely buy the boat for reasons of comfort, ease of handling and they are now victim of the system.

It is the system that needs stabilising, over all control needs to be established and that should come from a commercial group, not amateurs bumbling about periodically. Nor should organisations like Sailracer, Sailwave Sailjuice, Sailwhatever, be allowed to manipulate the system for their own commercial gain. It should be only permitted under license, make them pay for the privilege.

It's high time it was controlled

I spoke to the RYA a little time ago, to sort out some D-Zero admin. concerning the CA, I also took the time to speak to the PY organiser, he told me in no uncertain terms that the PY for the D-Zero would be based on club returns only, like every other class. I firmly believe this is what will happen in the fullness of time, all the rest is smoke and mirrors. Sail the boat you enjoy and encourage your sailing comm. to do their job, it really is as simple as that

Exactly Jimbo, my concern was that this was official RYA (despite what Jim says) it looked pretty official given its on headed paper in an RYA format, relating to an event at a boat show which is also supported by the RYA...  We are now told its not, however its still a live page on the sail racer website!  (if i were them i would of taken it down)  my gripe was the drop of one class py vs another.