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    Posted: 09 Mar 14 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by haroosh

I'm a huge fan of RS and everything they do but I'm also struggling with the excitement of the Aero????
To me it looks like something you would sell by the bucket load to sailing schools and holiday companies but not be necessarily something you may want to own yourself. Just looks a bit uninspiring. And apart from the reported light weight I can't see how it differentiates itself versus many other single handers out there?
The one thing the D zero has is a very nice unusual look especially in the bow.
However as the Aeros seem to be selling well already obviously it has an appeal to others.
I hope it will be another successful class for Rs and the big plus it has is the overall RS support behind it.

RS are being quite cute here IMO, they can soak up some L*ser volume with the sailing schools and flog a good number to UK public who like beach boats.  I can't see the Aero really "hurting" the other single handlers mentioned in this thread, but it doesn't t have to in order to be a commercial success.  The entry price and simplicity will appeal.  Look forward to seeing them at RS events in future.
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I was there, I was the second phantom with not so skinny mast and this is not what I had seen from the water.
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Originally posted by getafix

Originally posted by haroosh

I'm a huge fan of RS and everything they do but I'm also struggling with the excitement of the Aero????
To me it looks like something you would sell by the bucket load to sailing schools and holiday companies but not be necessarily something you may want to own yourself. Just looks a bit uninspiring. And apart from the reported light weight I can't see how it differentiates itself versus many other single handers out there?
The one thing the D zero has is a very nice unusual look especially in the bow.
However as the Aeros seem to be selling well already obviously it has an appeal to others.
I hope it will be another successful class for Rs and the big plus it has is the overall RS support behind it.

RS are being quite cute here IMO, they can soak up some L*ser volume with the sailing schools and flog a good number to UK public who like beach boats.  I can't see the Aero really "hurting" the other single handlers mentioned in this thread, but it doesn't t have to in order to be a commercial success.  The entry price and simplicity will appeal.  Look forward to seeing them at RS events in future.

Spot on

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Originally posted by Adds

Alex from RS thought the PY of the Aero 9 might be around 1030.

Interestingly, my predictor suggests 1031 for the Aero 9.  You'll need to be Phantom-sized to sail it across the wind range with that rig, though, I reckon.

For comparison, I'm getting 1055 for the Aero 7 (for ordinary mortals) and 1130-ish for the Aero 5.   You read it here first  Wink
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You've not been following the other forums lately Phantom for some inexplicable reason is 1002 for this year Cry
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by Adds

Alex from RS thought the PY of the Aero 9 might be around 1030.

Interestingly, my predictor suggests 1031 for the Aero 9.  You'll need to be Phantom-sized to sail it across the wind range with that rig, though, I reckon.

For comparison, I'm getting 1055 for the Aero 7 (for ordinary mortals) and 1130-ish for the Aero 5.   You read it here first  Wink

Sounds about right to me..
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Originally posted by NeilB-Phantom

You've not been following the other forums lately Phantom for some inexplicable reason is 1002 for this year Cry

The reason the yardstick has changed is, up and down the country on inland lakes, average sailors are winning race after race in phantoms. Come on guy, get over it.
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i sailed the boat on Saturday and it was very good.  Lined up against the Mrs who was in a 5.  I thought that the 5 was surprisingly quick planing offwind in comparison to the 9.  The sail area to weight ratio will make the small rig particularly quick around the course if sailed by an appropriately sized person.  Can't see why it would be slower than a Laser if you wanted to apply a shandicap to it.  I expect your "predictor" cannot cope with such light weights.  A bit like the way the banks lending models forgot to factor in getting repaid.  Any way back to the boat.  As I had hope the acceleration is exceptional.  This will be fun.

Apparently RS are still making final decisions on sail cuts.  The 9 had a radial main but the other two were cross cut and I suspect that this is the better option.  Can't wait to get my own and to go out in some big waves!
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I expect the Aero 5 will lose out mostly in lighter winds than the planing wind you had.  The Laser 4.7 can be a bit of a weapon in strong winds!
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I sail my phant on the sea and 1012 was hard enough, 1002 is definitely a no win situation.

The RYA could easily split inland and sea clubs out of the stats only needs one field on the input and a sort option!
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