Designers

Nothing wrong with self-draining double bottomed boats - it is much more about the amount and distribution of buoyancy, particularly in the cockpit area.    The wider the boat the more critical this distribution becomes as well.   It is just as easy to make a case for boats that don't self-drain adaquately being more prone to capsizing in the first place as their 'cargo' of water hardly helps !  Yes I know bailers can help, but not always.  .... and if they are righted and remain half-full they are very much easier to capsize again ... and again.

 I cannot be the only one who has seen the rig ripped right off righted Enterprises etc as they streugle to get the transom flaps doing a decent  job while lugging a ton or so of water around.  Particularly so in gusty conditions. 

Mike L.

Originally posted by oldarn Originally posted by olly_love But boats with little air pocked are more likely to throw you clear in a capsize, also if you have ever been stuck below a boat with an air pocket then its not a nice experience, especially in waves. where you can get hit on the head alot. and can become very easilly tangled I don't think L2Ks or Wayfarers go fast enough to throw you clear! If having been thrown clear, surely the boat is even more likely to turn turtle and then blow downwind.

sorry i ment boats with no airpocket you will be thrown clear,

there isnt much of an issue with an inverted boat blowing away from you, even the B14 on its side doesnt blow fast, as the rig creates so much drag and the underwater wing stops is moving, like a sea anchor,
the sam goes for anyboat when capsized, the main issue with blowing away is if they roll back on you,

Originally posted by blaze720 Nothing wrong with self-draining double bottomed boats -   It is just as easy to make a case for boats that don't self-drain adaquately being more prone to capsizing in the first place as their 'cargo' of water hardly helps !  Yes I know bailers can help, but not always.  .... and if they are righted and remain half-full they are very much easier to capsize again ... and again.  I cannot be the only one who has seen the rig ripped right off righted Enterprises etc as they streugle to get the transom flaps doing a decent  job while lugging a ton or so of water around.  Particularly so in gusty conditions.  Mike L.

May be Mike, the Blaze, and as Olly says the B14, that are the only two double bottomed self draining boats that don't turn turtle!

Mike, perhaps you are the only person who has seen the rig ripped off an enterprise. Sounds like rotten wood to me.

Originally posted by oldarn Originally posted by blaze720 Nothing wrong with self-draining double bottomed boats -   It is just as easy to make a case for boats that don't self-drain adaquately being more prone to capsizing in the first place as their 'cargo' of water hardly helps !  Yes I know bailers can help, but not always.  .... and if they are righted and remain half-full they are very much easier to capsize again ... and again.  I cannot be the only one who has seen the rig ripped right off righted Enterprises etc as they streugle to get the transom flaps doing a decent  job while lugging a ton or so of water around.  Particularly so in gusty conditions.  Mike L. May be Mike, the Blaze, and as Olly says the B14, that are the only two double bottomed self draining boats that don't turn turtle! Mike, perhaps you are the only person who has seen the rig ripped off an enterprise. Sounds like rotten wood to me.

i never said it wouldnt go turtle, just said it wouldnt drift down wind,

Is a good dinghy  design a boat that can be sailed in wind up to f7 and in fairly rough seas. That is the condition the early I14s might sail in, without decks and no self bailers.  Doesn't self draining and double bottomed cover for bad design and or bad sailing!