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    Posted: 03 Nov 09 at 4:58pm
It looks like a mast slot? how would that work with a laser rig? And who owns the fingers wrapped round the gunwhale?
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The top of that hull looks good, if the hull is chined it could just be a great lake sailing boat for those not old enough for a Solo and not heavy enough for a Phantom. The laser loses out in light winds on lakes due to a lack of chines providing a bit of lateral grip so it goes sideways in the puffs.

However I suspect it will have no chines and be another boat for salt water sailors...



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 09 at 6:04pm
Just don't understand why on earth anyone would want to buy a new hull for
a laser rig! OK may well be nicer to sail, but I would far rather see someone
produce a modern carbon rig for the laser hull. I understand that Laser sales
have dropped off. Best thing would be a nice modern carbon una rig and sail
that drops straight into the laser hull
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Originally posted by winging it



I think the 8.1 rig is just for testing.
The fb chat talks about three different sail sizes.

High aspect ratio rig with exotic spars to come.





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Originally posted by womble12345

The top of that hull looks good, if the hull is chined it could just be a great lake sailing boat for those not old enough for a Solo and not heavy enough for a Phantom. The laser loses out in light winds on lakes due to a lack of chines providing a bit of lateral grip so it goes sideways in the puffs.

However I suspect it will have no chines and be another boat for salt water sailors...

I suspect one reason why the Laser is quick for it's size in light airs is precisely because it has a round bilge hull which displaces water for very little wetted area.

If you're using chines to stop leeway then the board must be too small (or the boat too heeled) - the board is a more efficient generator of side-force by far than chines. I'd only add chines to a Laser for improved planing and stability on the plane - ie. if I was shifting the performance compromise towards higher windstrengths or otherwise providing a lot more thrust.

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if it is the boat steve was talking about on SA I think it could be quite exciting with some really good class racing and great value, can anyone confirm this?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote womble12345 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 09 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by womble12345

The top of that hull looks good, if the hull is chined it could just be a great lake sailing boat for those not old enough for a Solo and not heavy enough for a Phantom. The laser loses out in light winds on lakes due to a lack of chines providing a bit of lateral grip so it goes sideways in the puffs.

However I suspect it will have no chines and be another boat for salt water sailors...

I suspect one reason why the Laser is quick for it's size in light airs is precisely because it has a round bilge hull which displaces water for very little wetted area.

If you're using chines to stop leeway then the board must be too small (or the boat too heeled) - the board is a more efficient generator of side-force by far than chines. I'd only add chines to a Laser for improved planing and stability on the plane - ie. if I was shifting the performance compromise towards higher windstrengths or otherwise providing a lot more thrust.

Funny, I had just assumed that solos and phantoms do well on lakes because of the chines, things like blazes and lasers seem to suffer on my lake in light winds, I am talking about wind so light you cant sail it upright as you need gravity to help hold the sail in place so in those case you cant sail it upright to use the centreboard properly.

Anyone else care to comment on chines and leeway?

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Originally posted by womble12345

Funny, I had just assumed that solos and phantoms do well on lakes because of the chines, things like blazes and lasers seem to suffer on my lake in light winds, I am talking about wind so light you cant sail it upright as you need gravity to help hold the sail in place so in those case you cant sail it upright to use the centreboard properly.

Anyone else care to comment on chines and leeway?

Phants and Solos both benefit in light airs from excellent sail area:wetted area ratios, despite their chines. Downside is that the Phant at least requires lots of lard to hold it flat when the wind comes up...

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Hi Forum writers!
Its interesting reading your thoughts - and sorry for sending you the teaser video. 

What's is all about: 
We aim to put a new singlehander to the world market.    We can manufacture using a technique called resin transfer infusion.  Its used in the car industry most successfully and it will enable us to make up to 10,000 boats from one set of tools a year.  The boats would be similar weight to a Streaker - made from fairly exotic foam sandwhich with Vynalester - anyway - suffice to say the boats will be built over strong but light and stiff!  Also the boats will be made in the UK and retail for about £2500 (sail away price) - we will market them through dealers around the world.  We intend to be selling 5000 per year.  The whole concept is designed around modern building techniques - a kind of Laser of the 21st century, but of course there are compromises - no T foils  - no one piece masts etc.  

We are in the first prototype phase at the moment; the boat is made of polystyrene covered in glass.  Not even put the new rig in yet - just testing against a Laser at the moment with the same rig to see if the hull form has some mileage.  Within a couple of weeks we will have a modern looking rig - perhaps even carbon/glass (though carbon glass might take a little longer) 

Next phase will be pre produciton prototypes.  A traditionally built hull - made in a normal mould.   We aim to test these hulls to breaking point - to find out how much material we need in the production boats.

Final phase is the production.  The process will involve some wastage at first but everyone in the team is positive we can put together a remarkable singlehander - along classic lines - one sail (with different rig options), un stayed - simple design 

Anyone interested in coming for a sail, please let me know (steve@roostersailing.com).  We are doing testing at Stokes Bay most weeks over the winter.  It might even be racing at weekends.

To sum up - we are thinking BIG with this deisgn. The whole concept is designed around easy distribution, cheap reliable manufacture - and affordable racing for the club sailor.    Who knows it might even catch on?

Off Topic - we had 34   Rooster8.1 sailors this weekend - 24 owned rigs and 10 rig hires - to make 34.  Three of the rig hires bought rigs afterwards at £310 - anyone interested in buying the rest of the hire rigs - give the office a call. 01243 389997 - speak to Ian.   We started at number 81 - and the latest rigs are in the 400's  - so we have sold about 340 ish.. What a great way to buy an old boat and have some fun!



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Steve,

The new boat sounds great, £2500 Sail away price.  What fantastic value that would bring to the avearge club sailor!  I will watch the development closely with interest.

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