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    Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 7:44pm

Laser have quite a vibrant market at the moment, reckon carbon top sections etc would really push prices up and the money won't be in it for Laser to push for. If they did, it wouldn't be long before the MPS would be getting proposed to fill it's spot in my opinion. Why keep an old boat which is getting more expensive trying to mimic newer, better designs, when you can cut out all the hassle and fill an Olympic place with a new boat? Start modifying the Laser substantially and you lose all it stands for. Reckon Rooster could possibly make quite a bit of money out of developing the rig to be more responsive, but if Laser did it, they'd be risking a lot. The boat shouldn't need new foils with the 8:1 rig, as if the boat is sailed properly, the rudder should only be acting as a correction device. 49ers have really small foils in comparision to the Laser when you consider rig size, and the boats don't suffer for it.

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The laser is already already a pain upwind the the centre of effort on that rig looks substantially raised... at 68kg count me out.

I'd prefer to see an improved laser rig with a responsive carbon top section.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender 541 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 7:14pm

However you dress it up though, you are still sailing a boat that is very badly out of date and needing a redesign.  The bigger sail means that you will be needing that bigger rudder that you don't have earlier, you will still have the same lousy control lines, and you will still be sitting in a sink!!

£350 for the sail and top section though, now that is decent value

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Originally posted by GraemeB

I think this is a great idea, I'd put money on a "new" standard laser sail along the lines on the 8.1 appearing sometime.

Well done Rooster..


Quite possibly, but do you really believe Laser would sell a lower mast section AND mylar reinforced sail for £350? More like a grand i would think!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 4:31pm
The old Byte sail had a good solution.  There was a zip in the front of the luff and an eye at the top.  You could hoist the sail and do the zip up as you hoist.  Not as good as the luff track but....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by radixon

Sometimes its hard enough trying to put the mast up on a windy day with a radial, imagine doing that with the 8.1 rig!!


You could always try what I did with my stump rigged Cherub... Tie the boat fimly onto the trolley and tip boat and trailer on its side so that its balanced on gunwhale and trailer wheel. Now put the mast on with the boat on its side. So much easier [grin].
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What is the weight of the 8.1 rig compared to the radial/standard?

Sometimes its hard enough trying to put the mast up on a windy day with a radial, imagine doing that with the 8.1 rig!! Then what about taking it down again?
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Hastle and riggng Laser............?

Laser , Topper, LDC etc have a huge impact and influence on the dinghy sailing market place which is not always healthy. I think this is a great idea, I'd put money on a "new" standard laser sail along the lines on the 8.1 appearing sometime.

Well done Rooster..

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Post Options Post Options   Quote allanorton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 2:12pm

It's a great idea, wouldn't it be great if it became more popular than the standard laser .  It won't make it plane upwind but will help it get to max hull speed upwind a bit sooner, and should should get planing downwind that bit earlier.

What i don't like about sailing a laser is the hassle of rigging.  I hate having to drag a fragile sail thru' the mud, getting on the mast, then having to thread up outhaul & cunningham etc..  I think a good developement would be a one piece alloy mast with a track & halyard, that dropped into the existing hole.  Then the boom could be left on, no more tying up stuff, you'd be on the water in 10mins!  It would probably sail better with a lighter one piece mast.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 1:51pm
why is this about recruit dissafected laser sailors to other classes?  looks to me like Rooster are tapping into a market for people who don't use their Lasers' or don't like using them, for one reason or another, and are offering a cheap way to up the grin factor without buying a different boat

... now if you are going to buy a different boat from a Laser, then that is a time to look at the Blaze, Solution, Phantom, Streaker, Solo, Vareo, RS300 or any of the many other hiking singlehander options out there (not to mention the trapeze singlehanders......)
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