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gordon 
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 Topic: Who's for the chop or ...Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 10:00am |
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Jim C's comments are interesting. By removing the Finn and the Star and not replacing them he is effectively suggesting that about 30% of men have no place in sailing at Olympic level. Not exactly inclusive.
Your detailed knowledge of what goes on in the scrum sheds a whole new light on the current state of English rugby! Long may their unsuccesful run continue! Gordon |
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English Dave
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Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 11:25am |
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Change of tack here but perhaps the problem with Olympic sailing and maybe all high profile sailing competitions is making them accessible to spectators. If sailing came a little in-shore so that it was more than just a load of tiny white triangles in the distance then it might have a higher profile and not be in danger of having its medals reduced. In theory, if a sailing regatta is held in a bay there is no reason why the downwind mark/gate cannot be just 100 from the shore. You are not blanketing the wind, there's loads of action as kites are brought down at the last moment and everyone calls water. However, predicting where that downwind spot is going to be every day and accomodating half a dozen simultaneous races is another matter. |
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JimC
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Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 12:55pm |
Actually I'd say about 99.999,999% of men worldwide will have no place sailing at the next Olympic regatta and I'm certainly one of them. If you do some sums on Nationals turnouts it turns out that there is a very strong correlation between % of female sailotrs and class popularity. That suggests that the best way to grow the sport is to target women. After all if the girls are there then the boys will follow. Given that then I think its a good idea to have equal number of womens and mens medals at the Olympics. If you do that then the men have to drop some medals. |
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gordon
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Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 1:47pm |
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The boys can't follow if the classe chosen do not allow them to compete! Not having a heavyweight class effectively eliminates about 30% of male athletes.
Perhaps one way forward would be to adopt a class that can be sailed by 2 or 3, with one trapeze. In this way large crews would have their place as would the lighter crews. Might even allow 2 boats per country one sailed 2 up the other 3 up. Many class rules allow this, although few classes seem actually to encourage 3-up sailing. It is my beleif that this boat should be a "tactical" boat rather than an "only speed matters" class. How about an update of the National 18? Gordon |
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Pierre
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Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 1:53pm |
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Hobbo
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Posted: 13 Nov 06 at 2:03pm |
Pierre is right, you have just described a Mk IV Osprey. (or a 505, FD or Jav - dunno if they are allowed 3 up in their ruleset though?). Not that i think it should be chosen for the Olympics, the three other baots i've mentioned are all fully international and the FD used to be an Olympic class, time to bring it back? Edited by Hobbo |
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nathan
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 2:08pm |
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Any news... I can't seem to find any on the web?
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Contender443
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 3:24pm |
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Bin all the classes and start again - but that is too radical for those in power. Shame I would have Intl Musto Skiff male and female classes Laser male and female classes 49er male and female classes Cat class with assy must be one design in the spirit of the above classes. Also have separate male and female classes. Two handed non trapeze - Snipe? Again classes for male and female. Using rigid OD classes such as this means the organisers could supply all the boats and if they wanted half the amount as the same boats could be used one day for the male fleets and then the next day for the females. But as I said this would be too radical. |
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CT249
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 10:36pm |
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ISAF doesn't always seem to be against radical ideas for the Games - at the moment one Olympic class chairman is after feedback because ISAF wants the medals to be determined entirely on the results of the last race; not a loaded points system as it is now, but a simple 1-2-3 over the line in the last race gets the medals regardless of who may have won every other heat.
Surely it's understandable why they don't want to be too radical in boat choice - would you enjoy it if you were a 470/Star etc coach, sailor, boatbuilder, sailmaker etc and were told "hey, guess what, you just lost your career". We don't seem to enjoy it when companies get radical and chop and change jobs, yet we often seem to ask ISAF to act in a similar way. Just raving.  |
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Contender443
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 10:56pm |
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So just retrain and learn what makes Lasers, MPSs etc tick. Not a big deal if you are a good sailor or coach. As far as boatbuilder, sailmakers goes that is just business and you will need to adapt. |
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