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    Posted: 12 Jun 22 at 6:57pm
No idea , not sure how py committee works. Boat is no quicker, just recovers from a capsize better.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Only speaking for myself, I have never finished a race with a mk1 capsize, mk3 you can.


So that would make the yardstick slower?
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 22 at 6:48pm
Only speaking for myself, I have never finished a race with a mk1 capsize, mk3 you can.
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As the owner of a Mark 3 Rondar Enterprise, I would describe it as semi self draining. It has a lowish false floor with tubes through the transom but still has self bailers set in recesses.

Capsized once since buying the boat. It's certainly an improvement over our Rondar Mark 2, which had buoyancy bags that could have been a tad bigger, but it is far from the real deal imho as you are quite reliant on the bailers to finish drying the boat out.
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Yes, could have worded that better, would be more effective class racing.
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I think most instances of an Ent capsizing will be discarded in working out PY corrections..
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Yes, it's self draining, race winner, same PY.
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Just looked at the Mk3 Ent from Rondar.
It seems to be a self drainer. Am I correct?
If so yes massive advantage, just capsize pull it up and sail off, no worries!
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MK3 Enterprise is the same speed, but if its a blustery capsize day, going to have a massive advantage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 22 at 7:58am
Originally posted by Sussex Lad

I really don't have an issue with changes per se.

It's just that with every change (and there have been many incremental changes) there is the same assertion that there is no performance improvement.

It's the boat that always stays one step ahead of the slow to adapt PY numbers.  Great marketing strategy.......I'd probably do the same. Wink LOL
Ah now, this I agree with!

Originally posted by Grumpycat

 Err these days the py system is quick to react as they use real race time data. So if a class really gets faster is shows .
It’s not that quick to react.  The numbers only get published once a year (and not at all during CV19, understandably). And I seem to recall that the last three years returns are used in the calculation so any change will take at least 3 years to filter through properly even if every boat makes the switch straight away. However, there STILL isn’t any published info on how the RYA derive the PY list as far as I can find, so I may be wrong about that.
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