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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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We will die exactly because the grass roots sailors will stop turning up and helping run clubs, clubs will become businesses and costs will skyrocket, success will be measured in wins and profits not participation.
I stopped my occasional forays onto the national Raceboard circuit when the UKBSA merged with the BFA, farmed out the running to a corporate enterprise, doubled the entry fees overnight and then left the RB sailors standing on the shore in perfectly decent conditions 'cos the Formula Windsurfing hotshots had a minimum wind speed.......... Hopefully there will be pockets of resistance in my local clubs long enough for me to reach an age where it all becomes of academic interest.....
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giraffe ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 148 |
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Sailing is not niche. There are very few niches. Ask a man at the bus stop what sailing is and he can describe it quite accurately. The game is in making more people get experience of sailing - normally they can achieve this close to home, and to then get them to committing to returning. There is no point marketing the sport to those who do it regularly, we should be seeking to broaden the appeal. There are more people to chase who have not done the sport than those that already have.
A\the sport could clearly benefit from an external perspective, as could the non-sporting aspects. It is easy to forget that the RYA is the authority for sport and recreational boating in the UK. Maybe they should be separate, but they are not. |
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ttc546 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 155 |
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We are long gone being an amateur, hobbyist Corinthian sport. Yes, it exists at club levels, but not at the higher levels of yachting, Olympics and other areas. Our august governing body needs to cater for both, and that means being professional, commercial and business-like. Sailing (and related nautical activities) requires professionals with business skills - not hobbyists anymore. If you dont think its now a business at many levels, you are dreaming of past glories of the 70's We need to grow up. Stop being amateur. Other activities are competing for our leisure time and that means we need to be more aggressive and business-like. Our governing body needs business professionals who understand how to take something small and make it great again - not hobbyists with limited realm and knowledge. We will die (as a sport) otherwise. Edited by ttc546 - 13 Jan 19 at 5:12pm |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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As true as this maybe in the real world of commerce, time and again it's proven the corporate rules and governance when applied to niche sectors result in horrendous failure, I could site brand after brand where this has occurred. Like it or not we are a niche activity and to create an ongoing strategy for something as tiny as the RYA in the greater scheme of things, that strategist at least has to have his or her feet in that world. They've missed several opportunities recently, Kitesport, Stand Up Paddlesport to name two that could have benefitted both parties and half the reason for that is their previous failure to keep the hearts and minds of previous sports in that sector. The RYA strategy should be all things water related if they wish to continue to act as the placebo in place of whitehall meddling. Edited by iGRF - 13 Jan 19 at 4:50pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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It doesn't say it has to be their hobby, it simply mentions a passing interest, and how that might be vaguely beneficial.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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To me that is the whole point, bringing business practices into running amateur sport is, almost universally, a very bad thing, taking part becomes more expensive, volunteering stops being part of the culture and participation declines. For the vast majority of those who matter sailing is a hobby and not a business.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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An excellent point, well made. Expertise is far more important than hobbies in this case IMO.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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This ^ is what happens when you bring commerce into the running of sport....
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Would be interesting to know how they will measure their success, might not be increased participation across boating, could be maintaining financial stability with reducing participation.
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ttc546 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 155 |
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A "strategist" does not necessarily need to know the base level of the sport (or business). Strategy is at a much broader level than the detail that you all describe. Strategists can draw on people who have the detail and grass roots expertise, but not need to have direct exposure to it. This is why, very often, and especially so in business, it is quite common for these types of roles to be fulfilled by people who have little exposure to that particular space. Their expertise is driving a concept wider than that. One of the problems of promoting someone from the grass roots dinghy/yachting/motor boating arena is that they will have their own ideas entrenched in traditional thinking. To use a term I hate, people who think "out of the box" are what is often required for this type of role. So dont dismiss anyone who comes from "outside". Great if someone has the sport experience and is a strategist, but it isnt always the case or necessarily desired.
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