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    Posted: 15 Feb 13 at 10:29am
Originally posted by sandgrounder

I understand that Banks Sails manufacture the sails for Speed Sails, I'd simply like to know who I'd be buying them from? Anybody?


You'd be buying them from whoever you placed the order with. Whether you choose to place the order with Speed or go to Banks directly would be your choice.
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Hi Graham. Thanks for answering my question about the construction of your sails in such great detail. Just to make it clear I wasn't accusing you of anything, from my point of view your sails look similar to the winners and not knowing a whole lot about tape sails and I wanted to know if they are of similar construction. I find it very interesting that they have been officially measured, this must mean all tape sails are/were ok to use at that time.
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It seems to me that the root of the problem is that various people are interpreting the ERS definition of secondary reinforcement differently. Given that ERS is supposed to supply an unambiguous set of definitions, ISAF really need to address this issue with some urgency and provide clarity to the issue.

My personal opinion is that Tape Drive is secondary reinforcement. It is applied after the body of the sail has been cut out and the panels joined together. 
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Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by sandgrounder

I understand that Banks Sails manufacture the sails for Speed Sails, I'd simply like to know who I'd be buying them from? Anybody?


You'd be buying them from whoever you placed the order with. Whether you choose to place the order with Speed or go to Banks directly would be your choice.


i would check with speeds(sailboats) and banks.

just because they are made in the same loft, does not mean they are made of the same cloth or cut to the pattern.

if you want a speed sail you might have to go though sailboats.
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I'd order a sail direct from Banks (or any other sailmaker who actually cuts n' stitches if your class allows it).

You will then at least have direct access to the sailmaker to get tuning advice and aftercare if you need it.

Ideally buy local... then guys who repair your sails will be the same firm who built them in the first place.  If I didn't use HD Sails, I'd use Edge in Coventry... it just makes sense.

Why pay two profit margins?  This isn't SMOD sailing where it doesn't matter as everyone has the same off the shelf and your combined purchasing power helps support the class continuation; it's slightly more refined than that.  Buying 'off plan' from a brand that doesn't even do its own cutting and stitching, well it would seem to be underselling the opportunity your class affords you.

edit: I just realised the irony of posting this as reply number '555'!  LOL


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[QUOTE=pondmonkey] I'd order a sail direct from Banks (or any other sailmaker who actually cuts n' stitches if your class allows it).

You will then at least have direct access to the sailmaker to get tuning advice and aftercare if you need it.

Ideally buy local... then guys who repair your sails will be the same firm who built them in the first place.  If I didn't use HD Sails, I'd use Edge in Coventry... it just makes sense.




+ 1 its a joy to use that type of sail maker and if the loft is local its a bonus! Smile

over the last few years, elaine and i have used, banks, rowsell, hd and edge sailmakers and had great service from them all. Big smile

on the other hand, after watching the problems people had with north sails measuring, at our nationals last year. i would think long and hard before i used them, even though i know they have a good reputation.



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I personally think North are as good as it gets for 'big business' sail making.  They certainly have amazing R&D facilities if you follow AC folklore at all. I'd have no problem buying their sails from a knowledgeable re-seller, like Rodney, if I were buying a champ spec Finn.  If I'm honest, much as I like RS boats and all they stand for, my only mild reservation are the hyde sails which always felt a bit cheap... I'd have willing paid a little more for something nicer anyway.  

However on a club racing one-design class, like a Solo, BM, Fireball etc, then supporting local sailmakers seems like a smart thing to do... especially when they perform so well and those sailmakers contribute to the local sailing infrastructure as they do.


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The thing about big outfits like North is that they can't possibly have expertise in all classes. A smaller loft which specialises in your class may be a better choice.
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Originally posted by SoggyBadger

The thing about big outfits like North is that they can't possibly have expertise in all classes. A smaller loft which specialises in your class may be a better choice.

I'd agree with that for sure.  Similarly you can't expect someone who's sending their generic design brief sails out for toll manufacturing to provide the same level of attention to detail as either a specialist or a local sailmaker.

Sure- they can field a team of hotshots, change their sail numbers, cause untold controversy in the name of 'no such thing as bad publicity', but in truth, those sailors with their free gear would win with some shagged-out old rags from the bosun's locker.  They're just good sailors, hence why they given stuff for free.

Your everyday, full RRP paying, mid-fleet punter looking for a new sail to give them a bit of a boost... well he or she would almost certainly benefit by speaking directly to their local sailmaker or a known specialist in their specific class and getting pertinent advice.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

I'd agree with that for sure.  Similarly you can't expect someone who's sending their generic design brief sails out for toll manufacturing to provide the same level of attention to detail as either a specialist or a local sailmaker.


I'm sure that Banks give the same level of attention to the sails they make for Speed as to those they make and sell under their own name.

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