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    Posted: 07 Feb 13 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by GarethT

The organising authority supply the Lasers at the Olympics
 
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I know that and it hasn't answered my question.
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The organising authority supply the Lasers at the Olympics
 
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You didn't answer the question.   Are you a politician ? Wink
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Originally posted by boatshed

Originally posted by pondmonkey

so you'd not let some one race at a PY race with a rooster sail on a Laser? 


I'll answer with a question.   Could one enter the Laser Olympics with a Rooster sail ?

LOL may I remind you that this is a silly little handicap race for nutters who sail in silly season?

(actually it's for the John Merricks trust, I wonder what the official line would be from them... 'yes, come along and share in your passion of sailing', or 'no f**k off, it's got a chicken on the sail'???


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Originally posted by Rupert

Just issue the out of class boat with an Experimental Number (which can be the same as the normal class PN in a case like this, where the sails are the same size and shape) but state that boats with experimental numbers can't win the main trophies. So, you get a result, but not the 100k prize money...

The same would apply to me taking my Minisail along, I guess. It doesn't have a published number, just what I sail off at the club. If I went to an event, I'd far rather they used the number I think is roughly correct, but banned me from winning the huge prize money or bottle of wine, than they gave me a 50 point slashing and made the race a nonsense from my point of view.
 
If it helps, I used to have a minisail way back when and the sprint version with the sliding seat had an official PY of 126 (old money), and my club adjusted my non-sliding seat variant to 130.
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Just issue the out of class boat with an Experimental Number (which can be the same as the normal class PN in a case like this, where the sails are the same size and shape) but state that boats with experimental numbers can't win the main trophies. So, you get a result, but not the 100k prize money...

The same would apply to me taking my Minisail along, I guess. It doesn't have a published number, just what I sail off at the club. If I went to an event, I'd far rather they used the number I think is roughly correct, but banned me from winning the huge prize money or bottle of wine, than they gave me a 50 point slashing and made the race a nonsense from my point of view.
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Originally posted by boatshed

Originally posted by JimC

[QUOTE=boatshed] I have in the past turned up at an event and been given a 50 point hit



And I'm assuming this was with a class of boat that complied with the class rules, ie was in-class ??

If so, the RO made a nonsense of the race.   That's no different to giving a hot shot helm a PY hit because they're a national champ and have won every race in the last year.

If a boat is declared out of class in an Event like the Tiger, it shouldn't be granted entry.    Without any historical data, the right of the RO to assign an arbitrary PY will be either beneficial or detrimental to that entry.  The chance of it being spot on is zero.    If it's a beneficial PY, it is detrimental to all the other competitors.

Randomly hitting the out-of-class entry with +50 points PY will, if they bothered to compete,  inevitably result in a pi$$ poor result and probably retirement.   And there is no saying how many in-class competitors race they will trash that day.

As I said, if there was prize money at stake, say £100k for winning, everyone would enter out-of-class boats and lobby the RO for a lenient PY hit.  

Thank god we compete in an amateur sport Wink

 
Agree on the one-off PY hit, but I don't think that is really what we are talking about here.
 
The PY system works because classes generally have stable class rules that hinder big changes in boat performance. The exceptions are the development classes where we all know the PY can take a little while to catch up (and rightly so IMHO). If you choose to go outside class rules then quite frankly you can't complain if you get a punitive PY given. If you don't like it stay inside the class rules. Quite simple really.
 
However if you are keen to test a new development in a PY race, take the hit and do your own calculations to assess performance.
 
In all of this I still think people should have the right to protest just as much as the RO has the right to dismiss it.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

so you'd not let some one race at a PY race with a rooster sail on a Laser? 


I'll answer with a question.   Could one enter the Laser Olympics with a Rooster sail ?
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Have you asked someone in an offical capacity?
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by pondmonkey

There is a genuine question over the Fireball class rules and tapes... no one has, in an official capacity, answered this question.  



Anyone???

well?

lets not lose the central question...
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