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    Posted: 07 Feb 13 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by boatshed

I'm half messing with you.

LOL yes but hardline stances like this can soon turn sour.... and whilst many of us can sigh at the faceless brand that is now Speed Sails for (potentially) not learning from the past, it doesn't stop us, as individuals and fellow sailors to the guys who get the sh*t, from learning from it too... 

here's what Andy Rice said after the MR infraction:

Series organiser, SailJuice.com editor Andy Rice commented: “I feel terribly sorry for Matt and Ben about what’s happened. I’m not sufficiently familiar with the minutiae of the Merlin Rocket class rules to understand their error, and maybe they broke the letter of the law, but they certainly didn’t break the spirit. I respect their decision, but it wasn’t necessary in my view. This doesn’t mean I condone willful rule breaking, but what happened here was not a case of that. I set this series up as a bit of fun, and to get people out racing and meeting up with old mates from other classes. Hopefully that’s what most people have got out of it this year, and I’m looking forward to sailors enjoying more of the same next winter.”



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Originally posted by GarethT

Originally posted by Rupert

Just issue the out of class boat with an Experimental Number (which can be the same as the normal class PN in a case like this, where the sails are the same size and shape) but state that boats with experimental numbers can't win the main trophies. So, you get a result, but not the 100k prize money...

The same would apply to me taking my Minisail along, I guess. It doesn't have a published number, just what I sail off at the club. If I went to an event, I'd far rather they used the number I think is roughly correct, but banned me from winning the huge prize money or bottle of wine, than they gave me a 50 point slashing and made the race a nonsense from my point of view.
 
If it helps, I used to have a minisail way back when and the sprint version with the sliding seat had an official PY of 126 (old money), and my club adjusted my non-sliding seat variant to 130.


I used to sail a Sprint off 126, back in the day, too. And even further back, the non seat PY was 110, before they multiplied it by 1.2. I'm sailing a non sliding seat boat off 1220 currently, which is about 10 points down from a translation of 130. Knock 50 points off that at a big open meeting and I'd need to be sailing at Streaker speed, which isn't likely...
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I'm half messing with you.   And everything we can do to make dinghy racing attractive to all comers, at all levels,  the better.  It is one of the greatest, diverse, sports.

Transparency, openness, honesty and fairness is essential to any sport, especially at an amateur level were self-policing, through individuals volunteering their time,  is the only option.   It keeps us in the game.

Unfortunately, I've seen a  failure of this attitude in another sport and extremely talented people, competing at a high level,  withdraw from the sport for ever.









 


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Originally posted by r2d2

 and the time limit is presumably way past for the RO/cttee to do anything (am I right)?

not for a Rule 2 hearing surely?  (theoretically speaking, before I get lumbered in with the hard-liners in this thread)
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Originally posted by GarethT

Have you asked someone in an offical capacity?

No, I haven't.  But who other than the sailors themselves (who have been on this thread) is there to ask?  The club only has the results it's got, and the time limit is presumably way past for the RO/cttee to do anything (am I right)?


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Boatshed, I think the vexed question of RRS 78 and handicap races would be best handled in a different thread. This one is confusing enough already.

Mind you its been discussed enough times before, with a variety of more and less bizarre theories presented. However until a club actually formally presents something to the RYA we won't get a definitive answer. I think there's a tendency to avoid doing so in case people don't like the answer that comes back.

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haha - no, and I don't need to answer your question as the context of an Olympics vs an amateur Pursuit Race for charity in the middle of nowhere for an eclectic mix of UK dinghy-dwellers render your point of view from hard-liner to slightly retarded... 
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Originally posted by Andymac

Originally posted by boatshed

You didn't answer the question.   Are you a politician ? Wink
 
If he was a politician, he could ask his missus to take any extra PY points eh?


Very good ! LOL
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Originally posted by boatshed

You didn't answer the question.   Are you a politician ? Wink
 
If he was a politician, he could ask his missus to take any extra PY points eh?
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