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    Posted: 26 Jun 12 at 9:50am
Strong wind bravado is a sign of youthful inexperience or plain stupidity, on the sea. I accept on the flatter waters inland folk can cope with strong gusts, but even then, just because the drivers may cope will the kit necessarily stand the strain?
 The Answer to that is no, so any sensible OOD would do what our guy did and shorten the race then go get everyone in, he was lucky to have a good man to hand to assist our rescue boat driver and once again we 'got away' with having an underpowered Rescue boat that got swamped and was totally overwhelmed by the conditions.
 There are always one or two chumps who'll selfishly mouth off about how it's 'not that bad' ignoring the fact that everyone has to be catered for regardless of their experience and the back up teams have to go out there and not enjoy the event just to keep an eye out for everyone, so the Blaze action was exactly correct.


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There's a thin line between fun and serious injury once the gusts start coming through at 28Knts +, having had great fun many a time but also broken myself and the boat, a good dose of common sense suggests starting racing or continuing racing in such conditions, at sea or inland, is daft. 
Yes, I like 'big wind' days, always have, probably due to my fondness for pies and beer, however, there's no sense making a 'fun' leisure activity into a trial of endurance and high-probabilty of physical pain, if I wanted that, I'd give up pies and beer and take up triathlon!
 
That said, when I remember the days I enjoyed racing (and just blasting around) the most, they are all the windy days, regardless of results......
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Well my view in boats.. Force 2,3 & 4 are fun, force 5 is exciting, force 6 is on the edge, and everything over that is likely to injure, damage or even permanently terminate, if you include fixed marks and directions in which you are obliged to go and that counts for pretty much every water sport.

Even windsurfing isn't that much fun racing in a 7 and above even though the kit is infinitely more suitable, having said that it seems a lot more do able from where I'm swimming next to this capsized boat.


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I imagine that it is going to partly depend on the nature of the wind.  A lesser wind but as chopped up dog's breakfast with short nasty shifts and lulls is going to send the most cocky contender rider running for the bar.
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That's an pretty light-looking 30, to be honest; seeing mains rarely (if ever) completely inside-out in a one-rig boat doesn't seem to show a lot of wind. If the 9er can handle 30 fairly comfortably with one rig then how much breeze is required when the 12, 16 and 18 Footers get blown off the water under their tiny purpose designed #3s?

The international meteorological association stuff I can find indicates that the peak strength is anything up to 176% of the mean (real) wind, and down here the standard Bureau warning is that the gusts (by which I think they mean 20 second averages, not the peaks recorded over shorter periods) are up to 40% higher than the mean. So something peaking at 35 knots on an anemometer can be around 20 knots in reality.

In windsurfer racing and Sydney-Hobarts we sail when everything else has gone in, and yet true sustained 30 knot days seem to be rarer then roosters with a full set of pearly whites.



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I'm beginning to realise windsurfers understate wind strength whereas....

I look at that 49er video and think force five, no more.
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RS400 at Felixstowe maximum gust recorded for the day 27knots, wave height by the look of the photo less than 1m! although they felt bigger out there!
And it was wind over water.
I remember doing a 5000 supercup at QMSC and a squall came through that measured 37knts in the club flattened everything we were hove to between races (totally flattenend!) apart from a 14 with the kite up which took off like lightning with the wall looming!
It is sail-able, but wind gauges notorious for spreading fertiliser on yacht forums or sailing club bars!



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Originally posted by Chris 249

That's an pretty light-looking 30, to be honest; seeing mains rarely (if ever) completely inside-out in a one-rig boat doesn't seem to show a lot of wind. If the 9er can handle 30 fairly comfortably with one rig then how much breeze is required when the 12, 16 and 18 Footers get blown off the water under their tiny purpose designed #3s?

That'll be a Portland Harbour wall 30knts. Good wind to be stood on the balcony with a pint and a pair of bino's.

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Originally posted by Chris 249

So something peaking at 35 knots on an anemometer can be around 20 knots in reality.




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