Crazy Ideas!

   Yipeeeeee! Trapezing a Topper!!!  
I've had a go at a Contender yesterday, I want one now! What about a carbon mast with spreaders, stays, shrouds and trapeze wires? Either the mast would snap or the hull would rip open   
We need to work on the design, boys and girls... Any engineers amongst you?  

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Black no sugar Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 04 Dec 04 Location: Somewhere between Brighton and Lancing Online Status: Offline Posts: 3941	Post Options Post Reply Quote Black no sugar Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Crazy Ideas! Posted: 04 Jul 05 at 9:50pm
	Yipeeeeee! Trapezing a Topper!!! I've had a go at a Contender yesterday, I want one now! What about a carbon mast with spreaders, stays, shrouds and trapeze wires? Either the mast would snap or the hull would rip open We need to work on the design, boys and girls... Any engineers amongst you?
	Lancing SC

TheSeaFalcon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 345	Post Options Post Reply Quote TheSeaFalcon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 7:34am
	No!! I was going to go on an engineering thing for a day jus to get out of school but....I'm not sure that really counts!! Yeah you'd have to either buy a bigger mast (make the mast cup, or whatever bigger) or use a much heftier downhaul or I dunno! Would we need to sand the bottom down to make it pointier??! Cos a lot of like the moths e.t.c have quite a prominent hull! I would put a picture in but the computer was being daft!!
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lozza Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 23 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 262	Post Options Post Reply Quote lozza Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 8:58am
	The topper hull isn't very stiff (especially if you get a cheap old one). Why not get two toppers and make a cat, call it a topcat or something, bit more room for modifications then...
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Peter Rhodes Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 24 Apr 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter Rhodes Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 9:56am
	why not leave the modyfying a topper hull and either use it as a mould for a stiff enough hull or make one out of plywood

andy_cherub Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768	Post Options Post Reply Quote andy_cherub Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 10:12am
	Lads, you know you wana get a cherub! Trust me - ul fit in fine with these ideas!!
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Wave Rider Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wave Rider Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 11:31am
	Yeah i know but somehow i dont think me and my friends (ginger69 and theseafalcon) can quite handle something which can match and beat 49er speed!!! Would be amazing fun tho !
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Ginger_69 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 481	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginger_69 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:06pm
	ye i think we need to think about what we would do and the strong and weak points on a toper
	Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite

Peter Rhodes Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 24 Apr 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter Rhodes Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 12:20pm
	obviously the unstayed rig is very inefficent using a lever effect to resist the rig loads with avery short lever hence not very good, therefore the place to start would be with putting a stayed mast on it deck stepped to avoid snaping at deck level like a keel steped one will, therefore a king post and chainplates would be required with frames to stop it being squished like a clam and something to stop it bending longitudially under the rig loads eg tension.

Granite Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476	Post Options Post Reply Quote Granite Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 1:26pm
	For simlicaty for rigging why not tie a peice of string to the top of the mast trapize off that then for the tacks swing yourself around the bow, the gybes might be eisier to swing around the back Note: Should not be attempted at home everyting suggested here is only to be done by trained profesionals under carefully controled conditions:
	If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right

Ginger_69 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 481	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginger_69 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 05 at 2:58pm
	yes that would be fun
	Chew valley lake s c Topper(RED)-29412 I14 1209 lightning-168 Whaam (cherub) Atum bom (cherub)old crew (the 1 in the youtube vids) Will be arup skiff crew aka marmite