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Poll Question: What mode do you mostly sail?
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    Posted: 20 May 10 at 4:42pm

I should have added that in contrast to WSC, my club, Deben YC has slow and handicap racing only. With the annual training course mainly in Toppers, it is not surprising that racing is nearly all in single handers. The slow mainly Toppers and the fast largely an 'orgy' of Streakers plus a Vortex, a couple of 300's a couple of 200's and a couple of AltOs. The junior fleet used to be Mirrors but these now only come out during the Family sailing week in August and then about 20 of them. Unfortunately that great little boat is hardly suitable to keep as Club owned boats for training purposes due to maintenance.

 

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Lots of people I know (me included) keep their doublehander on the trailer for opens, etc and keep an old singlehander at the club for club racing. Those that rarely travel will notice the trend towards single handers (ie GRF) whereas if you look at race reports you will see that double handers are still sailed extensively at opens, etc. Pinning down a crew to sail at a club level for you week in week out is hard but pinning them down for an open once a month is far easier to manage.

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Some interesting observations in this thread.

Personally I've always prefered racing double-handers, going from Enterprises and Laser 2s, through Shearwaters, Spitfires and Huricanes, and later L2Ks.  I've dabbled with lasers, and had old Moths and a very old Canoe for a while, and I suspect that my next boat will be another (old) singlehanded hiker purely because of my inability to commit to regular racing, and I dont want to be continually letting my crew down.

 

As Coach for my group of 8-14 yr olds, I'm steering them invariably down the Topper route as the boats are cheap and plentiful, and racing is tight without too much of a kit "arms race" in general, at our level.  Support from the Class is terrific and the opportunities for further Open Training and Open Regattas/ Zone Squad progression are all there.

Talking to the group leads to some interesting observations;  they all "Oooh" and "Aaah" at the 14s, 49ers, Cats, 800s etc, and love going for blasts in the 3000s, but when you ask what boat they'd like next it's invariably the Laser 4.7 they reply with. Possibly this is due to the RYA class progression, and maybe they'll push as hard as they can along the "accepted route" as far as they can, then slip off into other classes when they find they're not going to be the next Ben Ainslie?  Perhaps their sights will change direction once we've done some time playing with the Fevas, and some may recognise that they actually preffer crewing?

How do you talk a youngster into becoming a crew?  Is it purely a talent thing, like Navigators being "Failed Pilots"?

 

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Originally posted by JimC

. I leave it to the rest of you to comment on obvious trends visible...



Interesting figures. The most obvious "trend" is how little change there has been over a 20 year period. A change from 35% to 45% single-handers is significant but hardly overwhelming if taken over two decades. Even the growth of asymmetrics seems a case of "revolution stalled".

It's a curious contrast to many other equipment-based sports: for example nobody uses the same kind of skis that were around 20 years ago. The answer has to lie in the enduring class basis of the sport,  even though the turnover of individual sailors through classes is quite rapid.


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While not discounting the class basis, Stefan, maybe the sheer expense of the gear is a major factor? I know guys who race motorbikes who tell me that the Classics are keeping the sport alive here, and when I read Autosport there seemed to be large numbers of older cars racing. Last time I checked even air racing had many old planes in it.

So maybe it's simply a case where there are some sports where people can afford to throw away old gear, and some sports where it's too expensive to do so?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 10 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Chris 249

maybe the sheer expense of the gear is a major factor?


Don't really think so, at least not at championship level, which is where JimC draws his data. Case in point: the Merlin Rocket class. Numbers have been more or less constant (with ups and downs) over the last couple of decades but you don't see 20 year old boats in championships too much (the vintage class notwithstanding). Neither, with a few exceptions, are the same sailors involved. Nevertheless the class carries on strongly. There are many similar examples. The more I think about it, the more I believe good class associations are the bedrock of the sport.


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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

The more I think about it, the more I believe good class associations are the bedrock of the sport.

That and good sailing clubs ...

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Originally posted by JimC

Heres some numbers from my racing classes review data. Its not complete, hence some missing years etc..

Again some interesting figures, but they start at the beginning of the SMOD/asymmetric era. I believe that it is the flooding of the dinghy racing sport with so many SMOD classes in the UK, that has contributed to the sad state of our club racing which is now so dominated by single handers.
It is interesting that the pre SMOD/asymmetric era successful classes were double handers and these classes are largely still thriving. Why?

One reason would be because Clubs, especially smaller clubs, where they were established classes did not allow in new classes unless perhaps the new class could guarantee a fleet of say five boats. In clubs that did allow new classes and wanted new members any class was allowed. Since the nineties this has resulted in a multitude of different designs. The exciting looking new designs were either too fast and dangerous with their big asymmetrics, or too slow being of skiff shape and possibly rota-moulded. Such boats have put off others from buying similar boats  who have opted for the easy safe single-hander.Those with such boats either joined the handicap fleet or  abandoned it in favour of a single hander!. Others of course joined the new SMOD circuits perhaps keeping a non SMOD single hander at the club.

I assume most new to the sport seldom  join an 'old' class, unless members of a club like Waldringfield SC that only allow certain traditional two person classes or Lasers! From previous topics it appears there are few clubs that are so restrictive, but WSC is dominated by successful double handed classes!

The opinions seem to show a big preference for double handed sailing of some form, so surely our Clubs ought to find ways of bringing it back before it is too late. But this could be difficult when the body looking after sport so supports the traveling youth classes which take so many parent sailors away from our clubs!
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Originally posted by oldarn

I believe that it is the flooding of the dinghy racing sport with so many SMOD classes in the UK, that has contributed to the sad state of our club racing which is now so dominated by single handers.

Yet the number of new classes being introduced now is way smaller than were being introduced at the height of the dinghy boom at the 60s... Go back to those old books of classes and you'll see what I mean...

I'll see if I've got some older data but most of what I have is only since I started keeping old copies of Y&Y instead of chucking them out. Maybe I shall have to ask Gael if I can come down and root through the archives again...
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