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G.R.F. 
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 Topic: Alto dinghy ownersPosted: 20 Jul 10 at 12:00am |
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Yes high performance, because there is no dingy that given a certain condition that Alto couldn't out perform. From the medal race at the Olympics it would have slaughtered those 49ers to the other end of the scale in light conditions where it will deal most effectively with other so called high performance skiffs, like the MPS and B14. Hi performance shouldn't just mean over canvassed force three performers.. |
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MattK
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 12:08am |
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With that logic a Thames A rater is high performance as is can beat anything in a force 1... Anything can go relatively quickly in strong weather, the impressive thing about a high performance boat is how effectively they use a combination of power, leverage, and low drag to go quickly when everything else is standing still, this is why i don't feel the Alto is |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 8:24am |
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Surely an Alto One Design fleet is what you want. Handicap racing of symmetric vs Asymmetric vs Alto compromise will just turn into a lot of wittering about PY numbers and 'if the run hadn't been so biased etc etc'. Having different tactical options available to everyone in the fleet would be a step forward though. Would the leaders go straight for the leeward mark, but following boats want to go higher? Would the leaders then need to cover? The tactics would get interesting. Anyone got a budget for a fleet of 6 Altos? Laser 4000 seems to make its PY against 400's in the sea F4 and upwards, we're in with a chance on handicap with our 400's in the light stuff. A statistically insignificant sample, but such is handicap racing. I suspect our local 4000 jockey is a faster sailor than me, but don't tell him I said that! I have tried to get him into a 400 for a proper race. |
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 9:16am |
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This sounds like a really interesting boat, and it certainly looks very long in real life when I have seen it, i was quite surprised. This picture shows what sort of different configs you can have for the spinny, as GRF says....looks like a tacticians dream. timg |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 9:18am |
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Yes it would be fun, and be great to prove/disprove the value of the swinging pole. As to what you would do if in the lead, you'd sail it high and hot, because it's more fun. In reality the time that pole comes into its own is if you've got your final angle wrong and are coming in too high for example and are perhaps holding a would be overtaking boat a tad higher than you might want to in order to maintain your own speed. Then when you get near the mark you pull the pole and dive onto a dead run for the last few yards = you round it.. he has to gybe and return then gybe again. |
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Pierre
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 9:33am |
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An excellent boat, and looks good.
I like it, and it deserves to sell a few. If I were to replace the Osprey, I'd probably go for one. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 12:11pm |
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Here's a couple more pics of the initial thread author in action somewhere in
the Outer Hebrides or the Orkneys.. Windy.. 
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hollandsd
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 12:34pm |
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I disagree with the comments about the B14, the b14 will out perform many Skiffs in light wind due to the ammount of rocker they have, they lose out to other skiffs in the marginal conditions but against many non skiffs such as the alto the b14 should/would out perform them in all condidions. Dan |
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dsabiston
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Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 3:11pm |
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Re the 2 photos of myself,they where taken in Stromness harbour in the Orkney Islands which are off the the north of Scotland. The islands to the north of us are the Shetland Islands and further south and west are The outer Hebridies. The stromness regatta was sailed inside the harbour which is a natural harbour but on the day we sailed it was force6-7 and gusts to 8. Alto just gets better and better with more practise. |
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redback
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Posted: 21 Jul 10 at 11:23pm |
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Oh the B14 must have changed since I last saw one. They
seem to have very little rocker to me and being quite short they sink and park up below a certain wind strength. I haven't sailed one and would love the opportunity, so if you want to show me what you mean I'm up for it. I'd like to comment about what a high performance boat is. Firstly my experience of many fast boats is that they are relatively slow in light winds. Sure they have the sail area but the hull shape is optimised for planing and this does not work very well at low speeds and many "slow" boats can match them in a F1 or 2. So for me high performance is not just fast in a breeze. It could be that I'd call a National 12 - high performance. |
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