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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I was once trapped by my trapeze hook being caught on the underwater gunwale lip of a capsized FD. I actually came to the point where I thought 'this is it' (wouldn't have been too bad a way to go, actually). Luckily, once I'd relaxed, I tried something else with my last effort and slipped free. All the while there was a German Police rescue boat alongside, crewed by trained life-savers in wetsuits ready to jump in at any moment, but under the circumstances (I won't go into more detail) they had no way of supposing my plight before it would have been too late, and in my view on that occasion they would have been completely blameless had I drowned. It was just one of those things, one of the risks we take when we go sailing (but generally don't fully appreciate). I can only endorse the earlier comment about rescue boats only rescuing corpses. I view them as a means of getting home if e.g. my rig collapses; the responsibility for my safety is ultimately mine, and even a personal rescue boat couldn't necessarily be expected to save me from drowning. Maybe that's a point that needs to be made to novices before they become too gung-ho and develop a false sense of security ('No probs, there are rescue boats to save me') Edited by Medway Maniac |
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DaveT ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 31 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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Is there perhaps a case for the RYA to have a kind of "whistle blower" system where perhaps these young instructors can call a number and report the safety issues at the rya training centre they are working for without any come back from thier employers?
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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That is an excellent suggestion; young kids "stuck" on the job don't always have the means to resign and walk ... even if they know somthing is wrong. |
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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I think that the RYA would follow up any report on problems at an approved center. There is a sheme that started out in aviation called CHIRP which stands for Confidential Hazordus Incident Reporting Programme. http://www.chirp.co.uk it has recently been expanded to cover maritime issues as well, it is generaly used for big commercial ships but they would probably accept a report on a comercial sailing school. they are confidential and investigate and publish reports without revealing the identety of the reporter. www.maib.gov.uk is an interesting and sometimes scary read with some relevent reports on lesure accidents. It is amazing how quickly things can go wrong. There are a lot of factors that make it difficult for young instructors to blow the whistle and even recognise bad practice. If all you have seen is bad practice from older more experianced instructors it takes a lot to recognise how bad it is and then to realise you need to report it is difficult. |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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ColH ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 242 |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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There is a difference between sailing under instruction and sailing for your own means. When hiring or under tution in a boat, there should be rescue cover to cover you to the highest degree and when sailing independantly you take your own risks. When I sail my own boat, I don't expect anybody to be able to rescue me, save my boat and in most situations would only see rescue cover as a possible assistance. We have a formulated standard of procedures for the worst case scenario on my boat and if every teaching establishment knew their boats properly they would be able to do the same. Not every boat is the same and you can't simply cover rescues with one set of rules. We know that if a crew member is trapped below the boat, we won't be able to right it before the trapped member becomes unconcious and know how to deal with it. Maybe establishments that use high performance boats should consider the same areas as we have. Every place I have worked with confirms to the highest standard of procedures, to the point that we had to log every slightest risk of safety to the pupil. I have the deepest sympathies for the family involved with this tragic incident and also for the staff that had to attend to it. I also hope that management within this area take responsibility and take measures to prevent it ever happeneing again. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Precisely. Part of the attraction of this kind of centre for families is that parents and children can independently do their own thing, with the parents comfortable that that their children are safe. |
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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Interestingly the RYA article http://www.rya.org.uk/NewsAndEvents/newsroom/news/lefkadaacc ident.htm says: "The conditions of RYA Recognition for Training Centres have now been revised to ensure that instructors are aware of the dangers, and masthead floats are now used where necessary to prevent inversion. Safety boat crews are now trained to right an inverted boat immediately, rather than try to disentangle the crew." |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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The more I think about this, the more it annoys me. I'm most annoyed that a girl has lost her life and secondly I feel sorry for the staff involved with this incident. The staff seem to be getting used as "scape-goats" when they would have been doing everything that they could to help the girl with the means they had. In my eyes, the structure of the company is to blame for the incident. I have worked at schools which have had a fleet of cats for hire and tution. To instruct and cover the cats, as an instructor we had to hold a multi-hull endorsements. When customers asked to hire a cat, we demanded that they had taken part in one of our multi-hull courses or could demonstrate a high knowledge of the boats, i.e we'd ask them which boats they'd sailed before, usually who with and to what sort of standard. Then we'd ask them how to deal with certain situations. We were very strict on letting the cats out due to the nature of the boats and had a fast rib with 2 crew giving constant cover with the 2 crew members fully equiped to deal with any forseeable situation. Under no circumstances were absolute novices allowed out on the cats without a multi-hull instructor on-board, and the cats were never left unsupervised. We felt that the standard procedures we used for cat sailing were safe and anything lesser would not be. It might be a lot to ask for Sunsail etc to do the same but my personal opinion is that if they can't, they should not have these sort of boats or any other high performance boats within their fleets.
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