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    Posted: 23 Mar 21 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Oinks

Our Club is our home-from-home. Our friends are there, our son was brought up there, many f our best memories were there. Can't imagine why anyone would ditch the club scene to just go sailing off a pubic slipway or somewhere like Bewl. Each to their own I guess, but if it wasn't for our home club, well I'd probably not be sailing now.

Totally sums up my and my wife’s view of being a member of a club . Unlike me my better half , loves doing opens and nationals but even for her it’s just the icing on the cake . It’s the week on week racing /socialising /banter is the important thing for us and  most people. At my club only about half a dozen people have ever done a open and other than my wife I don’t think any other person has done one in the last decade .
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Originally posted by 423zero

They wouldn't be on their own, a passer-by would phone 999,RNLI volunteers would jump up from whatever they were doing, dash to station and rescue them.

Been sailing many decades and had my fair share of scrapes along the way but never been unlucky enough to need someone to come help. I am happy they are there but I have always sailed with a mindset that I am self sufficient and yes I do know accidents happen but so far I have not needed it.
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Interesting comments. Lets start by saying clubs are great. In answer to some of the comments, so its all right to put all the emphasis of safety for ones self on the Race officer and rescue boat crew but not ones self. Interesting thought's. Last time I looked the RNLI was there to help us if possible when we got it badly wrong as a last resort. Saving life's at sea would seam to have a fair bit of Hollywood in it. Great line in a rescue last year we turned back towards the harbor towing them and it was like the sea calmed down and the waves shrunk in size.  May be that was because you were now doing five knots down wind now going with the swell instead of 20 knots into the wind and over the waves. 
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Edit to add ref. earlier H2.

Why would I be disappointed? I suggest that's one for your head alone, not mine.

But were you really teaching the next generation? Maybe youngsters, however children of well known sailors were not the grateful and needful group of complete newcomers I was referring to.

I try to remain non judgemental and make general observations. 

My only disappointment is that I have felt the need to make a personal and rare response. 


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RNLI have no issues whatsoever with call outs, their policy is to not judge, I regularly sail on the sea without cover, using my own common sense, would imagine most people on here are the same.
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Originally posted by 423zero

RNLI have no issues whatsoever with call outs, their policy is to not judge, I regularly sail on the sea without cover, using my own common sense, would imagine most people on here are the same.

I am not sure that the RNLI crews have no issues with call outs for plonkers who have made no effort to mitigate risk.  Most of the crew are volunteers and are on call, and a shout is an interruption to their own activities.  It appears to me that it is wrong to think of a lifeboat in a similar way to a sailing club rescue boat, it really should, in my opinion, be the last resort in a list of risk mitigations.

On my list of mitigations would be, don’t head out to sea in weather where I might capsize, check that none of my kit is going to break (carry essential spares), wear the right kit, sail with a buddy, carry a working VHF, tell somebody what I am doing and where I am sailing.

I could add to this, go out on a Wednesday afternoon ... it is when our lifeboat is out training  LOL
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Perhaps the real issue coming out of this is that Sailing clubs, being the custodians of waterside access, should broaden their remit to allow as wide a variety of on/in water activity as possible. I had a very interesting chat to a well known boat builder a couple of years ago , who made this very point. Sailing clubs have waterside access, parking, changing rooms, catering facilities, and could be open 7 days a week for groups with different water use interests. Some already are, but most are not.The pandemic has temporarily stopped the slowly declining traditional dinghy club scene, and maybe it is the ideal opportunity for clubs to make the change into multi activity waterside centres, with the extra benefit of a good social content that a "club" provides as opposed to a waterside centre. A typical UK club could provide usage for racers, cruisers, day sailors, rowers, SUPs, wild water swimmers, kayakers, etc etc. In a 7 day week, there would be ample opportunity to have different days and times for each activity type if they could not combine their usage. 
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Originally posted by Do Different

Edit to add ref. earlier H2.

Why would I be disappointed? I suggest that's one for your head alone, not mine.

But were you really teaching the next generation? Maybe youngsters, however children of well known sailors were not the grateful and needful group of complete newcomers I was referring to.

I try to remain non judgemental and make general observations. 

My only disappointment is that I have felt the need to make a personal and rare response. 

If people want to learn to sail there are plenty of sailing schools available that are desperate for business. Most clubs also charge for RYA courses. I am happy to train the youth of tomorrow and you do not like that you were wrong in your comments. Whatever.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

In Pre-Covid times it would have been possible to race in relatively local open meetings most weekends which would obviate the need to be a member of a club ... the problem as a previous poster points out is that this approach relies on the selflessness of volunteers at clubs to run open events.  In times gone bye you could not participate in open events without being a member of a sailing club, however there is an increasing use of RYA membership to avoid this arrangement.  Also back in the day the open meeting sailor returned to their club for the winter, which often offered the most competitive racing, however this may have been overridden by the plethora of one off winter events


David,

How far back is your back in the day? When I started on the open circuit in the 80s and 90s there were a good few racing under RYA membership. Probably less than I observe today.

I do agree that the winter handicap events may have have had an impact. We enjoyed the 2012 SailJuice but decided to winter club race thereafter.

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I have raced pretty continuously since the mid seventies till now, but I am pretty sure that you needed to be a member of an RYA recognised club in the days when you had to present a measurement and insurance certificate in order to enter an open meeting.  

I suspect that the RYA thing is patchy from class to class, but I find it hard to hold such sailors in high esteem.  As stated previously those that decide to opt out of club membership, but reap the benefits of the volunteers who run Opens and Championships are not bringing that much to the game.
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