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    Posted: 28 Nov 18 at 1:39pm
My Solution sailing mate reckons it's not great in the light due to that width, I've a feeling it will be better than the Blaze though relatively speaking. I was very tempted a while ago but there weren't any around that fell in budget and I've got pretty wrapped up in Blaze sailing now so will probably stick with what I know (unless my Blaze mate takes it into his head to change class, unlikely I think).
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Originally posted by zeon


I had a go in a solution for the first time last Saturday. Was very impressed, quick to plane , quick to tack , light , well built with controls in the right place that work too . The only thing I didn’t like was the width of it, as I am more used to boats like British moths/Lightning’s/lasers/supernovas etc.
Over the last year I have tested the aero and zero too. The zero is still my favourite but the solution runs it very close. 



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Hadn't clocked a Solution is 5ft 9ins wide.... National 12 territory that. All that leverage they should be marketed to those with a predisposition to extreme perching.
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Well all that width has allowed me to at least be in the game when it's blowing four to five plus and I very rarely stack it, having said that I stacked it twice last weekend for stupid snr moment reasons and my dodgy sheeting system that doesn't sheet out smoothly or fast enough when I need it to.

It's OK in light, but will have a problem with Solo's in a drifter, mainly down to the class insistence on sticking to a stiff tin mast which doesn't vent the sail too well when it's very light. All the usual things work, staying up front, heel it and lay over on one side during a dead run with the forestay maximum slack and the boom out as far as the stays will allow when slack.

It's a good boat to battle Lasers with, they do have the edge despite what the PY suggests certainly on the sea, but on fresh water the Solution is quicker in and out of tacks and turns and in marginal planing conditions it has the edge so racing them scratch is fine or it would be except the Laserati like nothing more each year than to pounce on their extra few seconds, but then they're sad like that, lets face it anyone who sails a Laser has to be a little sad.

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Originally posted by zeon


I had a go in a solution for the first time last Saturday. Was very impressed, quick to plane , quick to tack , light , well built with controls in the right place that work too . The only thing I didn’t like was the width of it, as I am more used to boats like British moths/Lightning’s/lasers/supernovas etc.
Over the last year I have tested the aero and zero too. The zero is still my favourite but the solution runs it very close. 



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Hadn't clocked a Solution is 5ft 9ins wide.... National 12 territory that. All that leverage they should be marketed to those with a predisposition to extreme perching.

That was my plan. Lol Was looking for a relively cheap second boat to replace the laser. That plan is now on hold. That’s how much I didn’t like the width Unhappy
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The width is what makes it.
Stable unlike a 12 which has less width at waterline
Lots of leverage
Less hard hiking
If they had put a carbon rig on it then we would not have had the aero.
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Thumbs Up The Solution is not that wide, the Blaze is 2.5m with the racks (but not much wider than a Laser without), as you say the N12 (nearly 2 metres wide at deck level) is much narrower at the waterline.

Extreme width does mean that extreme hiking doesn't reward the energetic quite as much as in a narrower boat so taking a breather upwind when it's blowing doesn't carry the same penalty but hiking hard for as long as you can still pays off.
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I know it’s not that wide in the grand scheme of things. But that’s why I wanted a demo to find out what it’s like on the water and now I know. At least it’s narrowed down my choice of a second boat to a d zero or a return to a supernova ( but a new open transom one) Both of which are out of my price range at the moment. 

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You can (could) pick up Zeroes very cheap second hand. I think they have gone up again as the dealer is being more proactive in determining prices, but doubtless there are still deals to be done.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Thumbs Up The Solution is not that wide, the Blaze is 2.5m with the racks (but not much wider than a Laser without), as you say the N12 (nearly 2 metres wide at deck level) is much narrower at the waterline.
Extreme width does mean that extreme hiking doesn't reward the energetic quite as much as in a narrower boat so taking a breather upwind when it's blowing doesn't carry the same penalty but hiking hard for as long as you can still pays off.


You can take a breather in terms of getting the boat round the course but not in relative performance terms. A wide boat delivers more performance for the sailor prepared to hike harder. If you want to perch go narrow!
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In what way Sarge? Perching (compared to hiking hard) costs you about 40-50 cm extra leverage. In a Laser that reduces your righting moment by around 40%. In the Blaze that goes from 175cm to 125cm, a reduction in leverage of only 30%.

That assumes your CG is directly over the gunwale when perching and 50cm from it when hiking hard. A Laser is 145cm wide so, in round figures the perching leverage is half that or 73cm and the hiking leverage is 123cm, going from hiking to perching reduces the leverage by 41%. In the Blaze those figures are 125cm and 175cm, a difference of 29%.

The wide boat delivers more power for the guy wanting to perch too, 71% more in a Blaze compared to a Laser. and a perching sailor in a Blaze still has more leverage than a hard hiking Laseratti. In both cases the loss of power is significant though and ain't gonna win you races  Cry


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