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    Posted: 05 May 17 at 5:47pm
I wasn't advocating that Doug, but Royal Windermere for one does charge racers a higher annual sub that cruisers (who are, of course, still sailors not social members). Racing does cost the club more than cruising in terms of prizes, duties, etc etc, so arguably it is only fair to charge them more...  

My initial thinking was that charging 5p for a carrier bag is negligible to everyone, but it has still forced a massive reduction in carrier bag waste. Charging 5p to enter a series surely isn't unaffordable to even the tightest dinghy sailor, but might psychologically commit people, or at least force a conscious decision one way or another.  It seems, however, that many want to have their cake and eat it.
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If you want to charge people to race, fine, but don't ask them to pay a membership fee to the club.  If I've already paid a membership, I've paid to go sailing, so asking me to pay twice seems rather ridiculous. 
Or don't call it a "sailing" club.  Call it a social members club that can also offer sailing as an addition.  Certainly don't call it a sailing club then ask for sailors to subsidise non-sailors. 
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Originally posted by turnturtle

 

We need to face facts, 'club series' results really don't matter that much to that many people.  If they did, then whatever event, commitment, family tie, work plan, parents evening etc that was that was more pressing than going sailing, would simply have to wait or be re-arranged.  


Somehow I manage to do ring fence Saturday afternoons to go racing, but this maybe because I am old and kids have left home.

Our club has one race on a Saturday afternoon which typically lasts a couple of hours ... probably not your typical model, but it does mean that our members don't pick and choose whether to do an AM or PM series.  Saturday afternoon seems to be quite low impact leaving Sunday free for dog walks, the lawn and roast dinners  LOL
 


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I think you need to have the series so you keep the regulars coming.... they then provide the backstay of the fleet, the vital 'critical mass' from which to pool your race officers when folks don't show for duty etc.  The rest of the membership can then dip in and out, knowing there is always a race to be had when time and conditions allow- even if for them, the final series position announced in several months at some club social they don't go to, holds nothing for them.  

The chances of being able to sync your entire membership into 5 races per season is nigh-on impossible.  Club sumer regatta days, Barts Bash, the 'freeze your nuts off' winter race, maybe a handicap open garnering a 'local contingent' who don't normally travel is about as much forward planing you can really expect from those with larger priorities in their life.   
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Because modern life does not revolve around prioritizing sailing above other family activities, no matter how much an enthusiast you are. If it does for you, then you are lucky ;-)

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You may be right, in which case why do clubs continue to offer series rather than one off races? To an extent it depends on the length and compactness of a series perhaps. For example if the series was the first Sunday morning of the month between may-September, that's only 5 mornings in a year you are being asked to prioritise sailing for - 4 with a discount. Surely it would be better to get 75% of your racing membership out 5 times a year than 20% out on every Sunday?
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Originally posted by A2Z

I was trying to find a method of getting people to commit to a series rather than casually dipping in and out.

short of seismic societal reform, maybe a three-day weekend, I can't think for one minute there is anything anyone can propose that will actually have any real impact.

We need to face facts, 'club series' results really don't matter that much to that many people.  If they did, then whatever event, commitment, family tie, work plan, parents evening etc that was that was more pressing than going sailing, would simply have to wait or be re-arranged.  

We certainly wouldn't let something as banal as windguru put us off, if the series was that important; but it's not, so we do and we bank the pass for better conditions in the future.



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Just to be clear, I wasn't proposing pay per play or per series as either a revenue raising or fee reduction excercise. I was trying to find a method of getting people to commit to a series rather than casually dipping in and out. I appreciate that the easy come easy go way has appeal, but it defeats the whole object of a race series, there may as well just be lots and lots of individual trophy races.
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Originally posted by davidyacht


The best way to get the best value for your sub is to go sailing more often.  



stating the obvious somewhat?!?

Most sailing 'clubs' are an utter anachronism to what they are truly competing against - a wider and more easily accessible leisure industry in an increasingly time poor society.... although I guess most clubs are still hunting from the same pool of sailors, hence why one local club put signs up around my old club the weekend of our open day.  It's kind of pathetic really, especially when the whole 'push the boat out' thing was about wide scale cooperation and raising awareness.  (Yep, RYA trying to do something right and professional, only to undermined   Shocked Shocked Shocked)  

One example- I've been invited to join a ''cycling club"... it meets outside a pub in the village, there are no membership fees and the only rule is that no one sets up a feckin' Facebook group or posts their sh*te to Strava.  (It's a proper grumpy MAMIL club).  It doesn't care for marketing itself- in fact it's invite only, but don't fear dear liberals, no one's been fellated by a dead pig's head yet.  There are other cycling clubs around here- a bit more formal maybe, plus of course the informal cycling groups via Facebook etc.

Mountain Bike trail centres, Windsurfing centres, Snowdomes etc are all pay and play and offer a sustainable business model.  No duties and all run with 'passes' paid for either annually, monthly or on a per use basis... the cost inversely proportional to the number of times you use their facilities.

I really do not see where the volume volunteer resource will come from once the baby boomers running clubs today die out.  I do hope those who have introduced their kids (successfully) to the sport have broad shoulders; because the current SOP for most clubs will be unsustainable without them.




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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Can you get a berth with that? .
Only for the duration of the series, not all year round.
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