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Rupert
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Topic: Rise Of The Ok etcPosted: 04 Oct 14 at 12:40pm |
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And the Aero will have 3 handicaps - which one will be the same? |
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 12:42pm |
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The one you rig on the day obviously?
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 12:43pm |
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That'll teach you to make throwaway remarks KW, even in brackets!
Edit: good intervening answer. You're going to need all three, aeroNAUTIC. Edited by Medway Maniac - 04 Oct 14 at 12:45pm |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 2:59pm |
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Why would you need all three? The extra weight and drag of going 'too big' when you don't need to (e.g. you're light!) is probably not worth the cost/hassle.
Similarly, I could hardly see the point in ever owning the kiddy rig- unless you've got a kiddy to use it, then it's just great value.
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 3:02pm |
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there you go, you got in the last sentence - they form the basis of a box rule, chuck a Rooster 8.1 into the mix for a 'cheap easy access option' for the parsimonious out there, bobs your uncle, fanny's your aunt... Immediately there's better racing for Laser owners who don't currently have fleet racing, and there's an option to upgrade to nicer and newer without the heartache and hassle of 'changing classes' and the social circle you interact with at your club.
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Rupert
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 3:15pm |
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But if the box rule allows a 14 foot boat, why would anyone opt for the 13 foot boat? As soon as someone actually designed a decent boat to the rule, the other boats would be fighting to stay fast enough to be in the game.
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 3:17pm |
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But as soon as you have a box rule both boats are immediately obsolescent because a boat to all the dimensions will be faster than either. And you also come up against the fundamental difference between the design of a box rule boat and a one design: When designing a one design your first priority is popularity - how well it will sail: the last few percents of peformance are well down the queue. By contrast with a box rule the priority must be performance, because if its not the fastest why bother. But I bet Dan H could comment more on the differences in the design process.
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 3:29pm |
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Precisely so that you can rig the right one "on the day" of your box rule race, which is an on-the-water placings affair, no PY, is it not? In a F.2, I'd be appreciably quicker round the course in an 8.1 Laser than using the Radial rig 'appropriate' for my weight. I'm guessing the Aero 9 would bring me a similar speed advantage . In F.3, I'd switch to the 7, and F.5 and above the 5. I'm quicker upwind in a F.6 in a 4.7 than I am in a 5.7 or 7.1 (lower centre of effort than either, better aspect ratio than the 5.7) - slower offwind, granted, but I don't chuck it in either! A Feva kite would be handy, though.
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Posted: 04 Oct 14 at 4:04pm |
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One of the growing fleets at Rutland is A-Class cats despite most of them being obsolete. I didn't see one Phantom 377 or Exocet D2 at the NWF- I did however see 100 'obselete' longboards... |
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Would I be right in thinking that you really want to restrict your Box Rule Racing to one-designs, KW?
In which case you just need an homologation process to render boats eligible, like Group A in rallying and touring car racing. Specify that, say 25 (or more) boats of a type have to have been built to qualify a class to race. Builders to certify. It's unlikely anyone would start a new class just to win your box-rule racing unless it really took off, in which case you grandfather existing classes and up the qualifying number to 100 or more...
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