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iGRF
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Topic: Slow learnerPosted: 13 May 13 at 10:38am |
I wouldn't try to convince my daughter to engage in either, kitesurfing or same sex marriage, both are pointless, the one more dangerous than the other and both more expense than I would wish to countenance.
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 10:25am |
he's just pleased that he now knows where to head when he's next in NZ.... those roaming charges on the Grindr app are killing his phone bill.
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winging it
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 10:19am |
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If you really want to learn how to sail properly enrol on a dinghy course. Get a bit of practise, then go back and whip the yotters' asses.
Grumpf, any particularly wrong with same sex marriage, or did you forget the hetracil again. You know denial isn't good for you. |
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Oatsandbeans
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 10:17am |
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As some of the others posted- dont give up.
I think that there are 2 distinct types of learning. Those who learn by imitating the instructors- kids predominantly learn like this ( if you have ever seen little kids on the ski slopes with their instructer its all follow my leader style ). This can be very effective at teaching even complex routines. Adults arent so good at this,often they learn by analysing the prolem and trying to understand the key bits to get it to work. It sounds like you are definitely in this camp. Once you have it explained you can practice it and master it. The problem is that if your teacher has learned the skill by the first route he may never be able to break it down in a form that you can use, as he may have no idea of how he does it. That is one reason why teaching sailing can improve your grasp of sailing as you have to be able to analyse in detail all the things that you have doen naturally for years to be able to get it across to the pupil. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 10:07am |
Hmm yes, lots of same sex marriage amongst that lot, but it does teach an element of what you need to know, i.e. appreciation of the wind, the direction it comes from, how you can harness it to make your craft go where you want it to, but hey, it sounds like that's not what you're doing anyway. You are off to work in what they call a lead mine, basically all you need to do on those is learn how to mix drinks, wear sunnies on top of your head, and practise aligning the end of your nose with who ever you glance at. Oh and yawn, practising a good yawn is very valuable for that sort of sailing..
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Pierre
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 9:54am |
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Yes, the yelling at learners is counter productive, and the instructor SHOULD show you exactly how it works before the event. It is stupid and dangerous not to do so, especially if you are going out in 40 knots of wind.
Yes sailing blokes can tend to be a wee bit up themselves. Sid the sexist rules on quite a few boats, along with Captain Bligh delusions of grandeur. He had done a lot of long distance sailing and was a sh*t hot navigator. Sadly, his interpersonal and man management skills weren't quite up to the job. Irony, standing your ground and asking questions is the way ahead. It is team work on a yacht that makes it go well and gives everyone time to do things smoothly and well. Oh, and hopefully there will be a feed-back form to fill in at the end of the course. It might help them ![]() Good luck and stick with it |
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Moet
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 9:43am |
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I like that expression iGRF and shall use it. I shall yell back and call the blokes yottie t**sers. BTW following an accident some years ago, I had to have a knee replaced recently, (had it put in 3 months ago this Friday) so one of my retorts is "Don't yell at an amputee!". That shuts them up for a bit.
Thanks for the supporting words. I need that. Windsurfing is quite big here as the winds are very strong. In a bay down the road, they do that type where they have paragliding sails attached. In a nearby bay they race so fast across the bay that stopping must hurt. I think I'd need steel quads and arms for windsurfing Edited by Moet - 13 May 13 at 9:45am |
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Moet
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 9:38am |
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Thanks pondmonkey. I'll have a look at the book and see if I can find others on Amazon. Tonight I've been thinking well I'll just can this course but I will rethink and maybe finish it and just be a pain for the instructor for the rest of it by keeping on asking why. That said, he's not a bad instructor and had loads of experience in long distance sailing bu teaching is really an art. I do hate the tendency of the blokes to do whatever it is I am trying to do for me (I snapped at one in the end and I said I wanted to learn how to do it). They want to get the job done, but it is a course and I want to learn.
I have to say that going out on a 10 metre boat in 40 knots in the cold on Saturday was a test for me. I wasn't scared though but did curse like a real sailor as I helped pull the mainsail down so we could sail on the jib. It wasn't easy. |
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Moet
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 9:32am |
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Thanks for the posts Jim C and Pierre. Well I don't mind the shouting - I rather like being able to yell "Fore sail ready" etc but there is a real blokey approach to things that I don't respond well to to! I like the idea of going out with someone and just asking questions all the time. I have an example of what I mean - last Saturday we got on the yacht and one guy was put on keyboards. Now for me, and I'm going to insist when I am on them, I want 5 minutes instruction about them. I can usually see which sheet is which and there is often a label anyway, but I don't know if the clutch released lets it run or stops it. Now that takes just 30 seconds to explain, but there is an expectation that we know it,. so this guy was yelled at all the time and kept getting the clutch wrong and didn't know which to pull the rope etc and there is no need for that. My way is "Just tell me how, and I'll give it a go" but I just can't understand how I am supposed to know something without being shown how to do it. And I may need more than one time. Where else in education are we supposed to just know something? It's beyond me. Yes, the language is an issue - it really is a foreign language that needs learning.
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 May 13 at 9:30am |
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Alternatively, Bin it off, yottie types do try to make it seem far more complicated than it really is, and learn to sail in it's purest form by having windsurfing lessons.
At the end of the day, all it is, is a bit of cloth filling with the wind, driving a floating platform along, there's a bit of wood at the back to steer it with, you can go with the wind, across the wind and depending on the sort of floaty platform quite close to the direction from which the wind is coming. I fully understand how you feel, they still do it to me and I've been sailing one thing or another for near on forty years now, don't let them put you off, just modify what type of sailing you choose to learn, then progress from there. Like I said, bin it and learn to windsurf, much more fun and nowhere near as many yottie t**sers..
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