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    Posted: 23 Jun 06 at 1:35pm

Spoke with Jeff at Vandercraft a couple of days ago ... he's built three 'production' hulls now, to order, and has orders for two more (Nick being one)

Two are going to Wilsonian (on the Medway) where the trials took place ... everywhere the boat appears it gets interest which will hopefully lead to more orders ... one to Torbay, one to Carsington, and one is Jeff's (Bristol C?)

Jeff says the Phantom class had just 30 members when he started build, they're now up to 230+ ... here's hoping!!!

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Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585

Originally posted by mike ellis

i have sailed with a freind in his l3000 and i thought that it was a nightmare downwind with the kite. so much lee helm!!! upwind it wasnt that nice either because it was light and the crew couldnt get far enough forward. my other major nigle with this boat is that i couldnt reach anything apart from helm and mainsheet. the crew had to come in off the wire to do it and i imagine that would be a pain in a blow. also my freind seemed to think it pitchpoled too easily. i had a look at the v3000 at the boat show and it looked much better for control lines bit i think the rudders still too short for all the lee helm. anyone think the lee helm was solved if theyve sailed a v3000?

isn't that kind of contradicting at one point it says you can't get forward enough then says it is prone to pitch poleing

sorry i should have made that clearer. in the light stuff you cant get the bow down upwind without fighting past the hounds.

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Originally posted by mike ellis

sorry i should have made that clearer. in the light stuff you cant get the bow down upwind without fighting past the hounds.

with the gnav on the V3000, the lowers have been raised to the top of the strut so it's not such a squeeze, but crew on foredeck is faster in the very light stuff ... it's comfy once you get there

the 'underpowered' sail plan means sail control is not much of an issue for the 3000 compared with higher performance boats ... average settings for the conditions works, possibly playing the kicker occasionally

the kicker can be fed back to the helm within the new rules ... with boom sheeting and no mainsheet turret on the V3000 (or converted Laser 3000s) this will be easier to arrange

the narrow beam and small rudder mean you have to react to gusts before they hit ... good prep for higher performance boats (and adds to the fun)

the hull/rig combination suits the "KISS" approach to controls, letting crews concentrate on conditions and tactics, with their heads out of the boat

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Interestingly, after the comments by Mike Ellis we canvassed the present L3k owners as to whether they wanted a different rudder blade. With one exception, they thought the present rudder was just fine and didn't want any changes.

As to the accusations of lee-helm, most asymmetrics will exhibit that if you push them high enough onto the wind, but the L3k is perfectly balanced if you're sailing it at the right apparent angle downwind, which with that boat is pretty deep. We expect the lighter V3k to perform best downwind if headed somewhat higher on the apparent wind, hence the shorter pole & kite foot that Nick A. describes; a useful by-product of that is that the boat kite-reaches better - something which most asymmetrics don't even aspire to.

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i dont sail a 3k at all i just borrow a freinds one occasionally. his boat has massive shark bites in all the foils (not sure how) so i probably found that the rudder was useless because of its shape. please don't listen to anything i say here unless someone else agrees with me, i am not a 3k sailor.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowhammer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 12:25pm

A couple of views from V3000 demonstrations at Queen Mary over the last few weeks, posted on our website:

"Just wanted to pop in and say I had the pleasure of trying out the new V3000 a few weekends ago with Graham from Queen Mary's. I have to say it's an extremely nice boat, & would get my vote over a Vago. The Vago is more comfortable to sit in, but my goodness the V3 is way nicer to sail. It's light & goes like the clappers when a gust hits. The Vago feels like a plastic tub compared." (RS700 sailor who learned single handed trapezing in a Laser 3000)

 

"When we hoisted (the kite) this Wednesday in 23-26 knots of wind, my Wednesday night crew, who also sails a standard 3000, and I both agreed that we never knew a 3000 could travel that fast. Phenenominal!" (Laser 3000 owner)

That first one's especially to wind Sumo up!!!

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Originally posted by mike ellis

his boat has massive shark bites in all the foils (not sure how)

All laser 2 and 3k foils have shark bites don't they (yellowhammer?). I think it's part of the design .   But they certainly go better if you fill them in - and it's class legal too.

Trailing edge is too fragile by half and not at all trap hook proof.   Roll on 29er stylee ally foils I say!

PS: I'm told the V3000 rudder is a laser EPS one - thinner.

 

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I think we may have a fix for the shark bites. Watch this space.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowhammer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 06 at 11:29pm

huh?

i just padded out a 'surplus' 20mm EPS blade to fit a 25mm Sea Sure stock I picked up from Jeff to replace my stolen one. The production rudder was the standard 25mm version last I knew.

won't an ally daggerboard chop the boat in two if you get it caught between a rock and a hard place? (or maybe it's the shark's teeth that do that)

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If your boat is up and planing and getting some serious speed and a shallow rock RUDELY posotions itself in your way then i imagine any dagger board will be putting a serious crack along the length of the boat. 
I put the centreboard down too early in an 800 (when launching) when sailing for a guy for the second time.......he ended up buying a new boat and needless to say if we hadnt managed to pull out a good result that wknd i dont think he would have let me crew for him again!
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