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    Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 12:35pm
Could it be the builders are keen for ISAF status to flog lots of boats worldwide, while it's the sailors who have to pay for the Jury?
 
Older classes became 'International' when the rules were different, do they have the option of 'losing' their ISAF status should it no longer be beneficial?
 
In my view, the fact you need a jury of several highly qualified people to make rules decisions suggests there is something wrong with a set of rules that the competitor is supposed to be able to memorise and apply instantly.
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Originally posted by Getafix

 
Originally posted by Old Timer

 
The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.
After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?

.... IMO the 'benefits' are exactly the same as those enjoyed by my local cycling club from the UCI, or my local athletics club from IAF, the "warm feeling" you get from keeping some chefs and staff at Michelin-starred restaurants in Geneva gainfully employed (not to mention legions of "moat cleaners" and live in nannies)

very good ... 

I guess the issue is why bother with the ISAF status for a class like the RS100 when you don't have the will to bankroll the guys in blazers ...


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Originally posted by Old Timer

 

I think ISAF classes can really be split into 2 groups; Olympic classes ... and the rest ...

100% agree

Originally posted by Old Timer

 
The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.

After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?

.... IMO the 'benefits' are exactly the same as those enjoyed by my local cycling club from the UCI, or my local athletics club from IAF, the "warm feeling" you get from keeping some chefs and staff at Michelin-starred restaurants in Geneva gainfully employed (not to mention legions of "moat cleaners" and live in nannies)
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Originally posted by JimC

I know the cost of an IJ is bitterly resented by some of the more amateur classes that generate few protests. Trouble is when they do generate protests they are sometimes pretty major - the Fair sailing protest at the I14 world in NZ is a notable example.

I have been reading this thread with interest. 

That is an excellent example cited by JimC

When a class chooses (it is not mandatory) to become an ISAF class then you should expect to operate to its requirements.

Being a ISAF class puts certain costs onto a class not least the ISAF plaque that has to paid for on every new boat and the costs associated and International Jury of 5 people at a world championships.

I think ISAF classes can really be split into 2 groups; Olympic classes ... and the rest ...

The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.

After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?
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Maybe the RS100s will set the trend- a ISAF ratified World Championship without a battalion of rules bods on an expenses paid holiday in Lake Como?
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I know the cost of an IJ is bitterly resented by some of the more amateur classes that generate few protests. Trouble is when they do generate protests they are sometimes pretty major - the Fair sailing protest at the I14 world in NZ is a notable example.
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And I am sure lots of other International classes would love to avoid the expense of IJs if not needed. Especially as some classes allow pumping over a certain wind strength and the Jury have very little to do and are glorified safety boats.
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Originally posted by Nick Peters

I'm sure it was nothing to do with any RS class....went back a fair while I think, maybe the Toppers in the early days?.

Do you have a pointer to the ISAF reg that permits this?

I thought the whole point of an ISAF class was that is was raced in good numbers around the world and that the class would hold ISAF sanctioned world championships.

If the class cant drum up enough boats to support the cost of an International Jury (IJ) I'd have been surprised that ISAF would have "let the class off" the requirement.

I also thought that the other reason an ISAF IJ is mandatory is that it cuts off the right of appeal after the event such that the world champion is exactly that ... not subject to appeal should a messy protest occur.

Anyway, if you can point me at the ISAF reg I would be most interested to read up ...
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it sounds like the worlds will be a different kettle of fish though... Nick says a good chunk on the Hayling 10.2 are going, and the Swedish House Mafia are tooled up with the man's rig.  

Maybe even Fab100 will even use his if the forecast is right... he might as well do one before the rule comes in to block him and his lithe frame from a 10.2 title in the future.... (unless 'Spirit of Pies' becomes rather less ethereal and he gets on the Fray Bentos and Guinness)
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Knowing Huw, he'd of changed rig because there were no other 10.2's
I don't think any of the regular 10.2 sailors would change down when it's windy.
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