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    Posted: 13 Feb 13 at 10:25am
Originally posted by maxibuddah

That's because the py events attract 100+ competitors

yes, and I bet for the majority the reason for entry is to met up with friends new and old, sail against something a bit different and to group-up away from the exposure of the coast at some of the larger lakes where safer racing can occur in a controlled, but fun environment.  

If they are going there with the sole intention to chalk up their 'ranking' in the 'Handicap Sailor of the Year' contest, then perhaps they are entering with the wrong intentions?  Certainly the assessment criteria is knowingly flawed for such a serious sporting accolade (the PY system) but it is more than sufficient for achieving the goals of a 'fun regatta' with a general indicator of performance and results.  

Also how many enter with the intention of completely the series, verses those who end up in by default from entering one or two of the events???  I've no idea, but when questioning it the mindset of the competitors this sort of info would help add fact to conjecture.
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on a slightly separate note. With the RS rules, i just had a very quick glance before i dash out so may miss something fundamental here, but what is stopping you racing a 700 with a 600 main? or any other class within RS. 
Does it state that it must be a 700 sail? as far as i can see it must be supplied by an RS dealer like a 600 sail is and have a class insignia which you can buy.
The only thing i initially saw was that there is something about measurements being within a 10% of a five boat sample. 
I must be wrong here, the more i think about it, the more i think i missed it 
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

But a question, the individual events that went before the SJ series banner, they were never treated as 'as important' as a bonafide class regatta in the past were they?


I think so, yes. In my class newsletter editor days winning a major event like the Bloody Mary or the Pompey Perisher got a much much bigger headline than winning a Class Open.

Indeed those events used to get a two page special feature in Y&Y even 20 years ago, which no class event ever got, not even championships. Go into the clubhouse at Queen Mary and you'll see a big board with a list of Bloody Mary winners, but I've not seen many for Open Meeting winners.
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James,
Bad writing on my behalf. What I meant was where there a clearly written class rule it should adhered to 100%,not, maybe, maybe not adhere to it. Always difficult for anyone with the example you've given.

However what that grey area is for the class to resolve. If it has then the sail would be signed as measured, if not then it wouldn't be. If it wasn't then it shouldn't be used at an event that requires you to adhere to class rules. The grey areas within class rules should be resolved before the sail is measured. That way it remains the classes responsibility.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by rb_stretch

 
 
If I was Speed Sails I would also be in damage limitation mode.
 


but who is speed sails... it's just a meaningless brand, Banks Sails built, Northampton Sailboats owned, unless I'm mistaken???   

'There's no such thing as bad publicity'... sure is.

If you feel strongly enough that 'they' are taking the piss out of you, your sport and sportsmanship as a whole, then simply boycott the following chandleries and sail providers:

- http://www.sailboats.co.uk
- http://www.speedsails.co.uk
- http://www.purplemarine.com
- http://www.banks.co.uk

The Speed Sails team are also tied into the promotion of Neil Pryde sailing wear.  Give this is a steer clear too... if you feel strongly enough that is.

edit: I have included Banks Sails as they have been linked to the Speed Sails brand earlier in this thread.  If Banks are not the contract sailmaker for Speeds, then I am happy stand corrected and will delete the Banks reference from the this post Jimbo, 13/02/2013

Further edit:  I have received confirmation via email that Banks Sails are the contract sailmaker for Speed Sails; however Speed Sails stipulate the specification of their products and are ultimately responsible for the marketing and product placement of their products.  At no point should we assume that Banks Sails are endorsing the use of illegal sails, they simply produce to the specification of an in-industry (B2B) customer.  Jimbo 13/02/2013


FYI- please note my comments on Banks Sails and implementing them in this 'controversy'.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by pondmonkey

But a question, the individual events that went before the SJ series banner, they were never treated as 'as important' as a bonafide class regatta in the past were they?


I think so, yes. In my class newsletter editor days winning a major event like the Bloody Mary or the Pompey Perisher got a much much bigger headline than winning a Class Open.

Indeed those events used to get a two page special feature in Y&Y even 20 years ago, which no class event ever got, not even championships. Go into the clubhouse at Queen Mary and you'll see a big board with a list of Bloody Mary winners, but I've not seen many for Open Meeting winners.

OK... I stand corrected, clearly a PY regatta is 'as important' as a class regatta.  (trying not to shake head and sound judgemental to that viewpoint, but failing miserably  Cry)
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James, for some classes py regattas are all they join in at due to lack of numbers and while you are you might as well have a go at winning it overall too.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by pondmonkey

But a question, the individual events that went before the SJ series banner, they were never treated as 'as important' as a bonafide class regatta in the past were they?


I think so, yes. In my class newsletter editor days winning a major event like the Bloody Mary or the Pompey Perisher got a much much bigger headline than winning a Class Open.

Indeed those events used to get a two page special feature in Y&Y even 20 years ago, which no class event ever got, not even championships. Go into the clubhouse at Queen Mary and you'll see a big board with a list of Bloody Mary winners, but I've not seen many for Open Meeting winners.

OK... I stand corrected, clearly a PY regatta is 'as important' as a class regatta.  (trying not to shake head and sound judgemental to that viewpoint, but failing miserably  Cry)
Evidently the PY regatta under discussion holds some 'importance' for the winners and their sponsors:-
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Originally posted by sandgrounder

Evidently the PY regatta under discussion holds some 'importance' for the winners and their sponsors:-


I wonder if they'll be using an illegal mainsail at the Stevie Nicks?
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You'd like to think that the media pick up on controversy, and can smell a good story. So come on Y&Y, do an interview with the sailers and sailmakers and put the tricky questions to them! I already subscribe, but might even renew if you do...
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