New women's Olympic boat

Originally posted by Alex C A 97 rules boat is supposed to go quicker than a 49er downwind, but only when it's really howling.

I have lined up a few times in my fast 97 rules and an 05 rules cherub against 49er's in strong brease and flat water and typically the 49er is going deeper and somethimes about the same speed but normally quicker.
Going faster than a 49er straight line would be I think rare and they will get from the top to the bottom quicker as they loose less speed in the hoists, drops and gybes not tomention the better VMG

Up wind they go past like the Cherub is standing still and out of the start are a knightmare as they make big holes in the wind.

Originally posted by Alex C I imagine it must be quite frustrating to do a handicap event in a Cherub, because there's always people going to be questioning the legitimacy of the win. Besides that if one wants to truly handicap the Cherub and indeed many other boats a different handicap is needed for different windstrengths... although I hear the t-foil may be changing all this??

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Not as frustrating as finishing in the middle of a fleet after a good race and being moaned at for having an unfair handicap.

 

Originally posted by Dave Chiz Handicaps: The Cherub, if it is a competitive 2005 rule'r should be sailing at way under 900.  It cannot be as slow as 975 or even 930... the Laser 4000 is on 906 and has been since I sailed them in 98 an 99 (when we had BIG fleets). Need different handicaps for light and windy conditions? - That's not going to work is it! Go an beat up your designer!!

Dave how many handcap races have you done in a Cherub to be able to judge that from?

If the Handicap was sub 900 I would expect to be ahead of the L4000's most of the time and in my experiance that is not the case.  I know I am not the best sailor with the best boat in the fleet but I have raced them for quite some time in a range of different boats.

Minutes of the Equipment Comittee meeting held at Hyeres the day after the trials have been published:-

http://www.sailing.org/meetings/minutes/2007_EQ_20_04.pdf

Nothing in it at all about individual classes. It says "There are suitable boats available to be used as equipment for a Womens Skiff Olympic event" and that more trials are required.

Originally posted by Smight at BBSC We had Atom Bom at bbsc last saturday and it's speed varied massively with wind strength and at bbsc it's very shifty and gusty although it was not always crewed by it's usual pair it looked slow .Until some of the breeze dropped off and it was sailed flat it was not quick at all

Part of that problem was probably me and my normal helm as two of the test crews. We are both at the top limit weight wise for a cherub and I am far more used to longer boats like the 14 where I am not elbowing the helm off the back! It was good fun though.

Saying that it could not be called slow when compaired to the RS200's!

Originally posted by Dave Chiz ...seeing the classes of the Olympic Games representing the sort of boats that we actually sail

Well I dunno about that: if you take UK turnouts as an example of the boats people actually sail then the two handers at the Olympics should be Enterprises and RS200s or something...

Those of us who sail the more dramatic boats shouldn't get too carried away with the thought that we are in any way representative of the average sailor. However the Olympic participants aren't in any way representative of the average sailor either!

Originally posted by Dave Chiz Mission accomplished - We're all a step closer to seeing the classes of the Olympic Games representing the sort of boats that we actually sail and the style of sailing that has developed, you could say, since the (bold?) step of including the 49er in Sydney.

Hmmmmm.

If the Games represented the sort of boat adults actually race down here,
I think the classes would go like this;

4 classes of cruiser-racer yachts doing races without spinnaker.
3 classes of cruiser-racer yachts doing races with spinnaker
1 class of Lasers.
Maybe one class of Skiffs.
1 class of two-sail hiking dinghies or medium-performance trap and kite
dinghies

An unseemly fight between Radials, cats, boards and one design
keelboats for the final spot.

That's using the number of boats to work out who gets the spots. If it was
the number of sailors that counted, we'd probably have 10 classes of
cruiser-racer yachts.

It'd be even worse in most other places around the world, surely?

Not many people sail fast boats. After all, I think if (f'rinstance) we chose
the Olympic singlehanders on popularity, the 1913 designed clinker gaff
rigged 12 Voetsjoel would be about fourth in line, well ahead of the MPS,
700, Moth or Canoe!



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