The Tasar v the Icon

Aah found the eleven thousand reasons there aint many about, that'll do it.

Originally posted by drifter The PY thing with the Icon has cost them a sale. I was up for ordering one at the dinghy show, but our club as a minimum PY rule of 1000. I think 969 is bonkers but I can't risk buying a boat I can sail only alternate years while the yardstick yo-yos. My new Albacore will be here soon.

It's cost them more than one sale. Which is why someone should be sued. Or there should be an alternate system less likely to be swayed either for someone's commercial gain or petty minded class protection or what other dumb ass reason they screwed with that boats immediate future.

I have an even more bizarre intrigue filled conspiracy suspicion with commercial over tones, that could be responsible, either way, it shouldn't be permitted to be manipulated, what about the early adopters how do they come out of this.

The thing that surprised me most was that what 30 yrs later they go and build it heavier, I'm going to have another closer look at a Tasar, who sells them these days are they available as a new build?

Edited by iGRF - 14 Jul 14 at 9:14pm

Originally posted by fab100 Originally posted by iGRF I'm never going to do another Nationals after that horror story at the RS100 event, I don't 'do' getting timed out when I'm trying to learn something and particularly not when I'm sponsoring the fecking event and you sailors going off for a curry and bed at 8 in the evening, not what I remember "nationals" being about, Hang on, what tosh!  If you were "timed out" it was because, at the rate you were going, we'd might have got in two races in the day, certainly not 4. Why would an OOD keep over 40 boats hanging around in a F5 for longer than their race took on the premise that one back-marker, you, might finally finish. He was only applying the standard and pre-published SIs; they applied to everyone and have been the same for years before and since. <span style="line-height: 1.4;">No one was picking on you or being unfair.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"></span> Secondly, I think we waited until after 8 to go for that curry, perhaps we were hoping you might finally make it ashore? and then, to everyone's admiration and gratitude, you sponsored a meal, at which the only non-attendee was you, the host, a bit like the groom ducking out of a wedding, which everyone felt was a genuine shame. The most commonly uttered phase that evening was a concerned "where's grumph?" I'd have thought the lesson for you should not be to avoid Nationals but that bragging beforehand about how you are going to drub everyone is making yourself a hostage to fortune and a comeuppance. And as for 'trying to learn something' you'd had your boat for months. Many of us had only collected the things a week or two beforehand. Ignoring RS jockeys, there were only 3 owners with sail numbers earlier than yours, one of which was knee-wrecker himself.  It was a pretty hard and harsh weekend's sailing for sure and several, me included, reached the point of deciding enough was enough. But as an event it was epic rather than a horror show.

And there writ large exactly the reason the sport is dwindling and events are getting fewer respondents, even when you tell them where they're going wrong they argue with you.. ffs you should write a book.. oh wait a minute

Edited by iGRF - 14 Jul 14 at 9:04pm

Originally posted by Peaky That's a real pity, not least because the reason the Icon PY is low is because it is good upwind. It is far more suited to restricted waters than some boats with higher PY but which carry (often asymmetric) kites.

Exactly.   Perhaps you should ask your club for an exception based on the boat.   And the reality is, the Icon  py will probably settle at 1000 or less.

The lesson here is, early on,  just let Joe average club sailors race new design boats in the club py series. 

The PY thing with the Icon has cost them a sale. I was up for ordering one at the dinghy show, but our club as a minimum PY rule of 1000. I think 969 is bonkers but I can't risk buying a boat I can sail only alternate years while the yardstick yo-yos. My new Albacore will be here soon.