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detente ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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For mainsail area we have gone for max non penalty roach ie to full 3/4 + 7/8 measurements before rorc penalise the area. The foot is as max as the standard boom length allows. The P measurement we are slightly increasing as there is room in the mast to allow for it and adding a backstay batten to the crane. The tack of the main we have ground off the standard z spars tack point and shackle direct to the gooseneck (stronger and more non penalty area. Genoa we reckon anything bigger than 145% just back winds the main too quickly. 140% is a good overlap if you are looking to reduce the rating without stalling the performance in light airs. We hold onto the number 1 depending on the course + sea state until around 20knots before changing down to no3... The kite area sizes we have tried are 41mtr sq too small in the light stuff. 46 mtr sq very good all round size and 50 great especially when blowing. We dont bother with A sails at the moment as we mainly race short course around the cans, but maybe watch this space. Any kite bigger than 50 mtr sq is penalised on rating and we believe the performance gain is not worth the rating hit.
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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big head mains get knocked, but you can put some extra into the foot towards the clew (does mean a low boom). jib - a number one and a cross 2/3 but probably could of gone for less overlap on both. spinnaker - about 44 - 46sqm (currently flying 38sqm!) just my thoughts on it. |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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I need some advice from you IRC racers... We 're hoping to do the Scottish series this coming season.
There seems to be a concensus that big headsails incur a penalty and that spinnaker size is relatively 'cheap', but how about mainsails? Should I be going for a main short in the foot but with a bigger roach?? Maybe I should be putting this up for general discussion, but I'd like to ask other P762 owners first. |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Yes, I think it would be prudent for us to drop the mast soon and check -
we've had some very breezy sailing this year. I can hardly remember the last time we used a number 1 and the number 3 is almost dead from overuse... I still find tight kite reaches difficult; even with 5 crew on the stern quarter it's a struggle to keep the rudder in the water. We 've been changing down headsails at about 16knots with good results, keeping the main powered up for more of the time means no loss in boat speed and we point higher with the 3 as well. Just depends on the depth of the lulls!! F word - 6.4 upwind sounds about right, although you can sometimes squeeze a little more if conditions are flat. As for downwind most of the time planing means about 10-11 knots - it's only a matter of time before you get the big gust! |
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detente ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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Hi All We had a cracking sail on saturday on Pink fizz, It was not too windy gusting around 20 -25 knots but steady at around 15. The race was one of our frostbite races... Being a pursuit we had to give about a 2 day head start to a contessa 26... however having the full five crew we opted for full sail area due to it being a pre set course the wind involved lots of reaching and fetching. Due to this we opted to choke the kite halyard back to standard hoist and use the small 40 sqmtr kite. As our owner always likes calling for kite hoists it was up for a high percentage of the race and on some fairly tight reaches had 16 knts shouting from the tacktick. The conditions go up and we were a little overpowered around 20knt true with the number 1 up. At what point to people change down head sail size???.... Still we battled on with the final beat home being a windy one, just after finishing the backstay parted company from the crane just as we were sailing back to the mooring...!!! Time for a new backstay me thinks with only a couple more races left this year. |
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F Word ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 08 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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OOps - 40 knots wind speed obviously!!!!!!! |
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F Word ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 08 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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Sods law eh? Out on sunday - close to 40 knots (within an hour of very light infuriating airs). Caught in squall just as we finished. The outboard wasnt up to it so we put headsail up and were fine. Very narrow lock entrance at liverpool and with a 5knot tide was interesting. Boat was fine though. We run a 4hp outboard due to tides here and are normally ok. With the headsail up we had no problems. See what you mean about the wetness though! No hollywood speeds. We seem to get about 6.4 uphill and I've only had 10 downhill, but not had her out in a decent breeze - Sunday was horrible 110 degree shifts and gusting. |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Hallo Andy, wondered where Nemo had gone to! We're not allowed to race offshore in the Projection on the Forth - it doesn't quite comply with the local regulations, but I can vouch for the boat's seaworthyness. We raced yesterday with a constant 30+ knots and a very steep 1.5-2m chop.. Both boat and crew took a pounding, but we had the kite up anyway (the smallest one!) and acheived over 14.5knots almost dead downwind. It would've been a lot faster if we'd had flatter water. Racing was abandoned after that with rising winds and we hit 11knots on our way back to the harbour under reefed main alone! But you're going to get very, very wet. The lack of freeboard means that you often go through waves rather than over them, and consequently the crew quickly get very tired.
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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Hi Andy, i havent done too many offshore miles in PROPER JOB yet but doing delivery trips 2 up in 20+knts on the east coast is fun, especially downhill! all the time the 762 behaved itself. Been out in 2+ metre seas and 40knts with full crew, hairy but again well mannered. just expect to get wet. oli |
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garth weaver ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 74 |
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Welcome Andy, Good to hear that you are delighted with Nemo. As far as sails are concerned, I agree that Goacher also comes highly recommended. We did one offshore race last year. Falmouth around Eddystone (off Plymouth) into Fowey - about 44 miles which was good, only beaten by X yachts 41. On the way back we encountered a decent headwind, up to 25 knots, and a bit of sea and I would say that P762s cope very well for a 25 footer. Our sailing club has its 50th Anniversary of its Cross-Channel race (90 miles) next year and I think we will give it a go, provided the wind is in the right direction. Look forward to hearing from you further.
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