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    Posted: 22 May 05 at 12:18pm

Hi Hurricane,      (post from the 21.05.05)

yes you are quiet right, I don`t no why Topcat didn`t go with the swing in the Uk some 25 years ago. It would have been well established. They must have had there reasons, maybe it had something to do with the designers. I know that Klaus helped to introduce the Dart in Europe, but from that I know nothing, only that Topcat went its way and it`s going well world wide.

I also know that Topcat is a different conzept to the high tec and high performance cats.

Maybe they get lucky in the UK  they also have the time to market this. We wait and see.

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guess your right tornado, don't mean to offend. won't be posting anymore messages at 2am after a bellyful of budweiser  <my head hurts>

can see why dart sailors might fancy a tc if it has similar appeal - i started in 18s twenty odd years ago and still have a soft spot for them i guess. getting older (and fatter) now, at the stage where even the sailing brain doesn't give me the edge over the lean mean pups unless its really blowing.

we all got our preferences and class loyalties. at the end of the day anyone who sails multis is cool in my book. there's nothing like seeing the look on the face of mono sailor the first time they get on a trampoline and blast out in a 5+. remember my first time, and once you get hooked there's no going back - anyone remember that feeling?

be interested to hear what jmwalker actually buys and how it fares where he sails. let us know jm!!

 

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Bit harsh those comments horatio. 

Top cat looks like quite a good boat for a skeg boat.  Good beginer to intemediate or youth class with spinakker

Would not have gone with the "dagger style" rudders though as it could make it a bit dificult launching from the surf.

At the end of the day now, all cats in the 16 to 20 foot range with kite including the T are now competing with a VERY strong F-18 class.

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well said hurricane!!!! you're trying to sell in a crowded market, - and where does a topact owner get his spare parts from? at a premium from the manufacturer i bet...

ok mr micky mouse cards on the table, sounds to me like your german. i bet you sail mostly inland, how do you fare in some british chop in the salt? i bet its more like a f****** u-boat......if your topcats are so good, tow yours to the uk and race against some 5.9s. maybe one of the LDs like the RIOW or the forts or the piers? lets see you put your money where your mouth is. my guess is 5.9s eat topcats for breakfast and you slink of with your tail between your legs - pussyCAT!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hurricane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 05 at 10:11pm

i think your problem is the boat is trying to compete against the dart 18 and hurricane 5.9 and those two fleets are already well established and have high resale values as well as big fleet racing a new boat in the same format will struggle to take off it needs to be radical unlike something before like the spitfire to work

 

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Hi hovatio/hurricane,

fair question, Topcat has just started to introduce itself to the UK. They had a stand at the Dinghy show this year and I understand that lots of ? and interest just like yours were ask. So much so, that they decided to make test sails and demos around the UK. Starting in the S/E. Also they have made contact to the sailing mags. I know that one will be making a test sail in June, then you should see something of Topcat in the magazines. I know that Topcat have sold over 17.000 boats world wide and turned over 650 cats last year.

But I don´t think so  in the UK (YET) . So hang on to your panties, it comes to the UK. Let them get a foot in the door and I`m sure that all questions will be answered. Something to be getting on with:

www.topcat.de or look at www.cs-sc.org.uk

I`m sure you will be more then welcome there for a test sail, even if you`ve got a Spitfire/Hurricane or no boat at all. By the way, Topcat is not so slow, schrs rating K1 1.05, Spitfire 1,04, Hurricane 1,01 x 684 = ..... The basic price of a K1is 6.500 pounds, all incl. Regatta is 8.000 pound, K2 6.500 pound, all incl. is 7.000 pound, K3 single handed or two up with jib 5.500 pound that`s what I read in there website. 

I know that there will be a big promotion discount at the demos , I also know the design of Topcat Klaus Elsmann. Klaus was a top Tornado man and the designer of A class winged catamaran and knows all about hightec, high performance, lights construction, gagets, boards etc. So, they looked for the ultimate alternatice. Something quick to rig from a complete breakdown on a trailer, with no center or dagger boards, no tools to rig up, no gagets, strong, safe and at the right price for the family and regatta man. And for sure not boring.

You have the speed and excitment without a risk. That is what Topcat are about,  simplicity it sales itself. Have a look next time in a travel agency (Magic Life/Tui etc.) They can`t be wrong and as for Topcat centers world wide, there's is to many to mention here. You can email the boys who are promoting Topcat in the UK.I can only talk about sailing the boat,.Mike-Southeast@hotmail.co.uk or mike.harrison@topcat.de

yours

mickymouse

 PS Have i left myself wide open ??? or or

   

   

 

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well said!!!!
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so how comes we haven't seen anything about topcats in any magazines? if they are that good someone would have done a review already....

i've never seen one for sale or even heard of them before. where do you buy them? is there any topcat fleets in the uk?

i would go for a spitfire.

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hi calistow

cartoon character TC, OK, But a tin cat food for you.But ok I used to think a Dart was something you through at a board  and a Hurricane was just a lot of wind,Talking of Hurricane, (Gozzza) Looking at the H/C the Hurricane is faster than the Topcat`` But´´at Texel it wasn't so,even after a  capsize at the start line (2 mins before start )and another a little later.But it was a hang on to your goolys day,and we had 180 kg onboard and one Hull half full of water,so we sailed over the Hurricanes,but on a nice day who know's maybe someone out there can answer that? Calistow have a look at the website by Gozzza might help you somewhat (WHAT IS A TOPCAT  )     

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 i have a Dart to, but wouldn`t cry over it.What is Topcat? I thought it was a tin of cat food or a cartoon character .
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