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    Posted: 11 May 09 at 1:32pm
Well there's a question.

Which would be the shallowest learning curve, the 700 or the Contender,
ignoring the downwind stuff which I always could cope with.
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Well in all my Musto time I don't recall stacking it down wind, but then I
didn't get to go down wind much on account of the 18 capsizes I'd have
upwind per race.

I guess I should have taken it out to practise sailing it 1st, rather than
just launching it straight into a race in my customary arrogance..

So I'll be able to just get right on the Contender then?

Shall I go out 1st or wait for the 10 and allow myself five minutes to get
acquainted.?
(The contender fellow has come back to me now I really am on the spot I
might have to wander down there and have a gander.)
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Having sailed both for a while, let's just say I could never go back to the Contender.  I just can't see the fun in scraping your nose on the cockpit floor every tack......  Great boat, particularly upwind in a blow, and the class were pretty friendly, but not for me I'm afraid.

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Originally posted by Ian29937

  I just can't see the fun in scraping your nose on the
cockpit floor every tack...... 


There..

That's what I mean, why would you want to do that all the time?

So ungainly.

And what if you broke a nail?
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Your just trying to wind me up now, highlight the fact that there is no boat
suitable for my weight and peculiar sailing habits..

Not being a six toed oyster eating mutant nor a bath tub wallowing
stuffed shirt starch sales operative with a keen appetite.

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Oh for goodness' sake!  Firstly, even at my height I'm not scratching my nose on the cockpit floor at any point of the sailing, secondly, two foot reaching a contender usually requires two hands and an engaged brain, so not much time for arse scratching - you have done this James?  Totally successfully?

I shouldn't think anyone who has has mastered a contender would want to go back to one - no challenge.  But the number of those who have totally mastered it  is quite small, because it's very easy to belittle it, but not so easy to really sail it well.

Grumpf, please buy one so that you can learn to appreciate a decent single trap boat.  If you get to grips with it as quickly in reality as you do in your dreams, then sell it - you won't lose any money because the second hand market is so strong.  Then you can move up to the MPS for a day or so before you fall flat on your backside again.

I'm not saying the contender isn't easier than a musto; I'm sure it is.  what I am saying is that it's not as easy as you think.  I can't comment on the 700 because I don't like to pass judgement on boats I haven't sailed.


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...to add to this I found that because the learning curve is so steep early on that when you can get around a course without capsizing it's tempting to think you have mastered it.

However when you go to your first open you realise that you have just started on a whole new (much shallower) curve.
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grumpf, you can try my 600 if you want, if you can sail that you will be able to sail the 700 no worries.

 

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To be honest Dan, I don't understand why he hasn't thought of that; he has already confessed to being able to learn from you.  There are plenty of short, fat elderly men at Grafham racing 600s, I'm sure grumpf could too!

maybe he just doesn't want to risk you beating him......again....

But seriously, we always recommend getting what's already sailed at the club don't we?  There are so many 600s at Grafham if I thought I stood a chance of being able to sail one I would be tempted to give it a try.
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Originally posted by hollandsd

grumpf, you can try my 600 if you want, if you can sail that you will be able to sail the 700 no worries.


 


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I dare say I could sail it in the conditions I've seen you finish in so far, but I do want something that I can cope with across a wider
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