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    Posted: 23 Jun 08 at 9:20pm

So the B14s are looking good down here! What would you guys think of other fast boats joining you? The thread was started looking for a fleet in the area so this maybe the answer, sounds like the biggest around.

But again, the problems are being pointed out, so if we know what they all are then this is a good base to work from as we know exactly what we would be trying to achieve!

As much as you are trying to develop your own fleet would you still be interested racing other similars in Plymouth? And with your organisation looking good perhapse helping? 

However much I enjoy faster boats it is clear that we would need a broad spread of classes for different skill levels to develop a decent sailing club as well as developing fleets within- giving people the choice. And then we can get those kids in Picos enthused about sailing when they see the fancy boats out at the same time, great all round!

The yachts are all based out of different marinas yet have a great turn out each wednesday night and then many crews are willing to drive round to RWYC for the club atmosphere etc, would this be an idea?  If mayflower were to provide the racing we could easily find a more convenient base?

(Sorry..Didn't mean that sailing a fast assymetric at Starcross wasn't possible, just giving the general gripe of not being able to use a big kite on many inland sailing courses in any real breeze, we can only go one way with the kite up and thats where it wants to go...not beam reaching round a headland in an F5!  but makes you a much better sailor! And we too were fine with the kite on Sunday..getting to the start..it was when we got it down that the problems started!  )

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If I would id sail at Starcross - I dont for many reasons, the main one being - my god I love Plymouth Sound!! & the other, long daggerboards, shallow water just dont go! Torpoint race and so does Cawsand - so there is racing in the sound, just gota look for it!

& Mount Batten are starting to "race"........... hummmm! But for the ££££ is it worth it?

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Plymouth Sound is one of the most fantastic places to sail.  I was always amazed that dingy racing only really got popular with the yacht racers have their Laser series during the winter when the yachts are laid up. 

I don't believe that the turnout is a function of the clubs being spread geographically, as the yacht racers seem to get good numbers all year round with many travelling for a post race drink at RWYC after mooring their boat up the river. 

Could it be that yacht racing is well organised and very accessible?  There are endless series to take part in and great fleets.  Crews can take part for no cost making sailing a very easy access sport.  When I was a student down there, I never considered getting my own dingy - couldn't afford it and got all my sailing through yachts.

Its a shame to travel away from the Sound, but I hear Roadford is a good venue and very welcoming.

 

 

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I think it is important to develop class sailing so that the boats
complement each other. Either being a niche boat or providing feeder
fleets for the more crew dependent and yet ultimately more satisfying
boats.
Therefore we need more boats out on the water and more folk sailing
their own boat. So, yes I'd welcome someone to sail against, but would
still favour the B14, as it suits the Sound and the local economy due to
it's enormous bang for buck payback. We also have the infrastructure of
buddying, training events and a local southwest racing circuit.

I'm always pleased to see more boats out on the water, but I'm worried as
to how potential newby dinghy owners will make the jump from hired
plastic heavy pseudo skiffs to real boats where the crew weight makes a
real difference.

I want to reduce the overall cost, so to get boats back in the dinghy park.
So yes Andy, paying £450 for putting a boat in a car park and sharing a
slipway is just outrageous, is it worth it?
I live 500 metres from the dinghy park, but over the winter it was
tempting to drive the 80 miles round trip to Starcross YC to race, cause it
was cheaper than to keep my boat at Mt Batten.
However sailing in the Sound is just brilliant, and you have so much space
and fun, so the money becomes secondary to the pleasure.
Maybe there is another area we can keep the boats so we don't have to
pay the Mt Batten fees. We never go in the centre anyway, usually change
outside in the car park and then go to the pub afterwards.
I feel that users of the centre should pressure Mt Batten and Plymouth
City council to reduce their fees, so that it becomes cost effective for
newbies to jump to owning and racing their own boats.

I don't think it's right to take advantage of Mayflower SC to put up racing
and then not to visit the clubhouse, as they rely on bar profits to support
the club.
Sometime in the future either Mt Batten will have to provide racing or we
will organise it ourselves.
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It seems to me that the B14's have got it right with the SW Regional series it eases the problem of which club to base at and can only bring more followers in the long run. With fuel costs as they are, this has to be a winner to get competitve fleet racing as local as possible.

Why not open it up to other similar fast classes and push it further ?

I would be happy to come along as I am sure other Roadford members would.

It would obviously need some coordination, and the dificult part of which classes would be eligible/accepted.

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... because if we are going to invest our time in coordination we want to focus on building fleets in our own class.  A lot of effort has been put in nationally and locally to get B14 fleets going - so why we would then dilute our inevitably limited time in organising the class to end up handicap racing. 

Of course anybody is welcome to organise the same for their own fleets or some combined fleets.
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possibly instead of having them race against you, let them race with you. this means that you share a venue together but as you can get enought boats for a class start, you have that. the rest can be there for handicap racing but you will get a wider variety of people to chat to at the bar afterwards.
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Originally posted by brookesy

It seems to me that the B14's have got it right with the SW Regional series it eases the problem of which club to base at and can only bring more followers in the long run. With fuel costs as they are, this has to be a winner to get competitve fleet racing as local as possible.

Why not open it up to other similar fast classes and push it further ?

I would be happy to come along as I am sure other Roadford members would.

It would obviously need some coordination, and the dificult part of which classes would be eligible/accepted.

The B14 SW Regional Series doesn't actually have any dedicated events- the only B14-only event included in it is also on the National Series circuit. The rest are events with assymetric starts anyway.

So it's really a "paper" series- mainly extracting and compiling the B14 results from the regatta results. The idea is to try and promote and encourage the class specifically in the area.If you want the same sort of thing for a more general assymetric handicap class, why not organise it yourself?

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MarkE and Al are right.

We don't want to appear that this is our race series and you can't join in.

The Southwest series is based on highlighted regattas hosted at suitable venues across the Southwest that we are pushing to get a decent B14 turnout, so to get a class start. There is no reason why other boats cannot turn up to race in their own fast fleet handicap start. You can all then watch us as we have a great time, on and off the water. Anyone for Sumo spacehopper challenge - you had to be there.

If you all want to avoid the petrol tax it's time to get your organising thinking caps on and get planning within your own fleets.

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So we bemoan the fact that there is no dinghy racing in the sound but do not want the opportunity to get other classes together but only one fleet.

Maybe I was on the right track originally, stay at an affordable club with sailing available without tidal and launching restrictions and just follow the class open meeting programme and accept the fuel costs. 

 

 

FD's needed to join us at Roadford !!!



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