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    Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:25pm

I guess our sport is no different to many others - somtimes in the heat of competition tempers boil over. No excuse of course.

I guess these incidents are rare as by the time you are close enough to hit someone you have usually had a chance to cool off.

When I sailed 470's I saw quite a few of these spats ...

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Oh my God!

That is quality!

I must say there have been times when I've wanted to do that sort of thing, although luckily the gentleman in me prevails and the confrontation is usually along the lines of "Erm, mate, you do know I had to keep clear of you when I had right of way?". Usually resolved with a pint!

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I know it's not the nationals but I reckon the 505 Worlds would have been the hardest class to win this year. Well done Mark and Ian for the outstanding performance in such a high level class.
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Originally posted by Bumble

I still recon the laser would be the hardest class to 'hop into'

Some "hopping onto" a Laser described here.

http://sailingscuttlebutt.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post= 2901#2901

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Originally posted by Bumble

I still recon the laser would be the hardest class to 'hop into', without having sailed one previously, and do well - even at club level.


The second best RS400 sailor at our club hopped into the Laser fleet last winter and won the series. Particularly suprising because on paper, judging by open wins, you'd have said that the Laser fleet was stronger than the 400s.

Even without that evidence I'd still say that things like the Moth and IC present a rather bigger "hop into" challenge...

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Very fair point. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the Laser nationals are easy. It is made even harder baecause laser sailing style is a little different from other dinghies. I know some laser sailors go on to do well in other boats, but I still recon the laser would be the hardest class to 'hop into', without having sailed one previously, and do well - even at club level.

The thread question would be better put as 'which is the easiest to win at national level?'

Just an after thought, but I also recon the GP 14's are pretty tough stuff.

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Using the same argument, Lasers also are the same weight, have the same gear, and similar speeds. You can't tune the rig at all, and they all have the same tacking angles. The only advantages come from playing the shifts and boat handling, but the boat handling on a single sailed boat is easier than a two-mans, three-sail boat, so there is even less margin there for an advantage.

A lot of Laser sailors have been in the fleet for many years too, and there's a lot more than 50 boats in the fleet. I don't think anyone has ever won every race.

Nothing against Scorps, I quite like them, but I'm still saying Lasers are the hardest to win

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Those who know me here will recognise the bias.......

The hardest without a doubt, is the Scorpion nationals. All the top boats are the same weight, have the same gear and very similar speeds. They all carry the same bulbous spinny shapes so reaching/running angles are the same and they all rake rigs back alot upwind giving them the same upwind tacking angles. The only advantages come from playing the shifts/the fleet and boat handleing.

On top of all that 2/3 rds of the fleet have been in the class for more than 15 years and the national fleets are always 50+ boats, unsplit, diving for the same marks.

Nobody has ever won by ''7 straight wins' like the more feeble boat/gear orientated development classes. I can't remember when the scorp nationals wasn't decided on the last day.

Without a doubt the most difficult national to win. I encourage you all to come and have a go.

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Originally posted by Graemef

Hardest Class to sail - no question MPS.


Not by quite a margin...
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Never Mind Hardest Class to win.

Hardest Class to sail - no question MPS.

Just sailing those things is one thing, thinking about where to go with
them up a beat or downwind is something else altogether.

And as for the winner of the Cherubs

How easy must that be?

What do you have to do?

Be silly enough to sail a boat called Cherub
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