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    Posted: 14 Jun 06 at 7:34am
It seems to me the power you get from your sails must be proportional to the mass of air that you move with them. So hot'n'high is less mass of ar being moved by the sails for the same speed and area. Humid air is also slightly lessdense than dry air, but the effect is much smaller.
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Originally posted by gonzo

but the air is still cold so will sink down and therefore be denser dosent matter about moisture level moisture only con tributes to level of humidity

water in the air would have a bigger effect than temperature id have thought .

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Cold damp air = heavy = more rate of change of momentum [Kgm/s/s] per chunk of air slowed down by your sails = more force [N = Kgm/s/s]

Hot dry air = light = less force per wind speed.

What your wind gauge reads is the actual velocity of the air particles because (if well designed) it doesn't resist the wind and needs almost no force to keep it spinning.  Ie it's a velocity meter not a force meter.

So yes force 4 on a cold wet winter's day is windier than force 4 in a desert.  Ie the wind speed's the same but you get more push per knot!

My boats certainly go faster per wind knot in winter.  Doesn't everyone's?

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Maybe it just feels like it because cold air hurts more...
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There's a lot of truth in that, Rupert.

I'd just like to throw in the thought that water vapour weighs less per unit volume than oxygen or nitrogen. Question is, does it displace oxygen and ntirogen and reduce the density of air, or does it co-exist and add to it? I used to know... Something about Avogadro's hypothesis isn't it?

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It is true.  My Dad has a plane (old, 1946), and it cannot take off with weight on board when it is a hot day.  The reason for this is that the engine does not get enough air to produce enough power for the take off from our fields.  It prefers denser air which produces more power.  Therefore, when it is cold the air is denser and thus does produce more power. 

If you've been to Minorca Sailing, they get 20knots regularly and can still let less experienced people out in it.  But, let a beginner take a radial out in the UK, 20 knots in winter, the difference is marked.


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