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    Posted: 05 Aug 20 at 2:31pm
The people I know in Cornwall who arent in the tourism sector quite frankly want all the grockles to sling their hook - the NHS just isn't geared-up down there to deal with an influx or a Covid spike from visitors.

That said, my inlaws are merrily on their way down in a couple of weeks - oblivious to these reasonable warnings.  Ironically, they struggled to get accommodation too.... unsurprising given the number of morons who would listen to Esther McVey....



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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by mongrel

I think there needs to be a bit more realism about where dinghy racing sits within the hierarchy of “things to return to normal”. 
By all means go for a sail with a few other boats, but I don’t think the preparations are ready for towing boats around the country for organised racing. 
Expecting locals who may have lost their jobs / not seen their families / missed medical operations/hospital treatments, etc. to be grateful that you’re visiting their area is very unrealistic (in my opinion).

And that there the preparations ARE in place for towing boats around the country for organised racing.
I think the fact the events are being cancelled show that preparations AREN’T as extensive as people would like.
Most nationals/worlds I’ve been to are reliant on local volunteers giving up their time to run the events.  It’s highly likely that these local volunteers aren’t comfortable with potentially having to assist in a rescue, or removing boats and trollies off beaches, and generally get close to other people who may be asymptotic.

Originally posted by sargesail

I think it’s entirely reasonable though to expect them not to object to activity within the law, the guidance and the specialist guidance of DCMS and the RYA.....
That’s your view, but I can tell you that the people I’ve spoken to where I live, and on local social media groups don’t want visitors down yet.  The locals who would help run events know this, that may be another reason why events are being cancelled as the clubs don’t want any grief.
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Originally posted by mongrel

I think there needs to be a bit more realism about where dinghy racing sits within the hierarchy of “things to return to normal”]


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To go back to Exe.....

The withdrawal reasoning appears to have 2 strands:

1. That locally Covid is rising. Mozzy has already highlighted some alternative data.
2. That restrictions and lockdowns are being imposed with little notice.

On the first, if true, fair enough.

The second is different though. No-one would reasonably object to cancellation if a lockdown or restriction were imposed. And thus it’s not really a logical reason to cancel because it might be imposed. That’s an individual risk for which the club, in my view, should assume no responsibility.
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Originally posted by mongrel

I think there needs to be a bit more realism about where dinghy racing sits within the hierarchy of “things to return to normal”. 
By all means go for a sail with a few other boats, but I don’t think the preparations are ready for towing boats around the country for organised racing. 
Expecting locals who may have lost their jobs / not seen their families / missed medical operations/hospital treatments, etc. to be grateful that you’re visiting their area is very unrealistic (in my opinion).


I think there needs to be a bit more realism in recognising that dinghy sailors at a championship do not approximately equal holiday makers who might have gone to Benidorm.

And that there the preparations ARE in place for towing boats around the country for organised racing.

Who said anything about being out expectations of them? I think it’s entirely reasonable though to expect them not to object to activity within the law, the guidance and the specialist guidance of DCMS and the RYA.....

Especially of activity within that carries so much less risk than the behaviour of holiday makers who don’t spend their time afloat, and don’t have the same control measures.
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I think we can all agree the best possible outcome of all of this would be VAT coming off sailing dinghies, sailing apparel, blocks, rope and sails. 

Screw 'eat out to help out'... it should be 'go launch to reduce the paunch'. 
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Originally posted by Mozzy


Locals to me have lost their jobs because sailing events haven't gone ahead. 
Perhaps Mr Sunak, should stop the furlough scheme and instead put a few dinghy champs on instead? LOL
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Originally posted by A2Z

Why don’t you get HISC to host it Mozzy?  Get on the club committee and arrange it.  

We're exploring that option. 

HISC is already hosting quite a few open events this autumn. There's already quite a lots of logistical issues around hosting these.

9 of the 800 entries and 8 of the 700 entries were from HISC. So, if an alternative venue can't be found, then there will some good racing at HISC that weekend regardless. 

Originally posted by Paramedic

 
But you don’t need a championship level event to achieve it. you can do it at your club without pulling in people from all over the country and without an excessively large group of competitors tieing up resources and putting volunteers at risk. 
Certainly. I've been really enjoying sailing at my local club. Participation is through the roof. 

But, people buy sails and boats to go to events. People buy ropes and blocks for events. We're being encouraged to stay cation by the government to help the tourism industry. If that can be tied in with sport then like I said above I think it's win-win. 

Originally posted by mongrel

I think there needs to be a bit more realism about where dinghy racing sits within the hierarchy of “things to return to normal”. 
By all means go for a sail with a few other boats, but I don’t think the preparations are ready for towing boats around the country for organised racing. 
Expecting locals who may have lost their jobs / not seen their families / missed medical operations/hospital treatments, etc. to be grateful that you’re visiting their area is very unrealistic (in my opinion).
Locals to me have lost their jobs because sailing events haven't gone ahead. 

I don't see a link between sailing events happening and any of the negatives you list (with mitigation). I don't think cancelling sport has any impact on getting those other more important aspect of life back to normal.
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I think there needs to be a bit more realism about where dinghy racing sits within the hierarchy of “things to return to normal”. 
By all means go for a sail with a few other boats, but I don’t think the preparations are ready for towing boats around the country for organised racing. 
Expecting locals who may have lost their jobs / not seen their families / missed medical operations/hospital treatments, etc. to be grateful that you’re visiting their area is very unrealistic (in my opinion).
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Originally posted by Mozzy

I don't hold anything against Exe. They're trying to make the best decisions from their perspective and are acting in good faith. It's their club and their decision. 
But, it doesn't mean I can't have a different view. I think sport and outdoors activity should be top priority. The biggest actionable risk factors are vitamin D and your weight / fitness. Not much one can do about age, underlying health conditions, sex or ethnicity. If people can get active and pump some money in to the economy then that, for me, outweighs the risks of transmission (which are present everywhere). I feel events like these should be prioritised over meal deals and relaxing of the 2m rule to fit more people in boozers. 


I agree with you

But you don’t need a championship level event to achieve it. you can do it at your club without pulling in people from all over the country and without an excessively large group of competitors tieing up resources and putting volunteers at risk.
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