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Gordon 1430 
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Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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 Topic: Nationals AttendancesPosted: 11 Sep 17 at 11:09am |
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Hi Jim I know what you mean, but having a feeling for how far to let the wind and sea state combination rather than a class dictated wind strength and forecast be the guide as to when to say enough is enough and send us all in.
I don't think a bigger boat race officer would have sent us out Friday or Sunday and we would have missed some great racing. |
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Gordon
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JimC
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Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 10:55am |
My experience of watching our club racing is that the biggest cockups are often made by top class sailors. There's after all no especial reason why the two different skill sets must overlap. |
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Gordon 1430
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Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 10:31am |
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Hi
The race management at the Phantoms was excellent in part because the team was run by two top class dinghy helms, many thanks to Simon and Gary. We also teamed up with the Europe's which added a few extra boats and a good fun bit of banter. Hopefully this made a success for Highcliffe SC who did a brilliant job. They tried to get us back on track on the Sunday but the weather gods were not having it. Hope next year is as much fun and brilliant sailing. |
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Gordon
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iGRF
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Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 10:21am |
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Why is that I wonder, what on earth is it about that decrepit hulk that encourages 90 presumably sound minds to waste a weekend of their life trapped in a boat that is neither comfortable, nor exciting to sail in any way? LIke the GP14 another totally dross hulk, it's also enjoying an upsurge, why do they do it?
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Loyboy
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Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 10:13am |
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90 National Solos at the Championship in Torquay, 73 at the Inlands, 63 at Hayling for the Pusinelli Trophy. While the Solo may not appeal across the spectrum it provides close racing in big fleets.
The NSCA work closely with our suppliers to provide prizes throughout the fleet, we also usually cover the events with video (which other classes have caught onto). We will hit 100 + next year, choosing a venue with home fleet support boosts numbers. We will trial a 3 day Nationals in 2019 but only because we are also going to Carnac for the Nation's Cup and wish to maximise both venues attendances. As Davidyacht mentioned, dilution of the classes is the main reason for lower attendance. RS Aero 5,7,9, Devotti Zero, OK, Phantom, Streaker, Laser, Radial, Blaze, RS 100,300,700....
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Paramedic
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Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 8:09am |
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Then there are classes who think that they like championships run at small, sleepy seaside villages with small volunteer clubs but expect top level professional race management.
You can't always have both!
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davidyacht
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Posted: 10 Sep 17 at 5:52pm |
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I think the downturns occur when a class steps out of the matrix of what the class expect of a championship, some classes like championships in school holidays, some don't, some like venues such as WPNSA or Pwhelli others like twee seaside villages, so when a class steps out of the matrix regular participants miss a year, breaking the habit, and then never find the time to get back into the habit.
A bad Championship could be down to the weather, wind, vibe at the event and so forth, this could also be a reason for competitors to drop out; I suspect that weather and amount of wind are something that competitors are prepared to accept with their sport ... an unfriendly welcome, or lack of effort by a club is less easily forgiven.
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Happily living in the past
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 10 Sep 17 at 3:35pm |
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Another good point Jim! However, as I've already explored in another article, adding sail (or sails) does little for the mid-fleet downwards.......nor does a protracted series of windy seasons. So another contributory factor. My best guess is that none of these changes alone are sufficient to bring about the downturns that have been seen, yet together (and with more 'x' factors - as yet unidentified circumstances) they add up to a fundamental change. It is not the only one either...... which suggests again that the old school championship format may itself be part of the problem! D
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Sep 17 at 3:17pm |
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When I did some research on wind strengths some years back I discovered that there seem to be windy decades and quiet decades. In quiet decades classes tend to add more rag, in windy decades maybe they regret it. My impression, without actually doing the research, is that we do seem to be in a windy period at the moment.
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 10 Sep 17 at 2:51pm |
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423 Zero.. There are no right or wrong answers, just as there are no 'silly' questions - the debate was/is about the fall of in numbers. One trend that has been noted is a fall off in the second half of the fleet. Now I am suggesting nothing, other than thinking that we need to understand this better. There is a school of thought that the dynamics of Championships fleets has undergone a subtle change
and that this is just another factor that is proving to be a 'dis-incentive' to some of the members of the fleet...members who might well be long standing supporters of the class
. As one who travels extensively around the UK, either looking at events or as RO at various Championships, I have seen this factor at work first hand. Now I cannot explain why it should be, if there was a simple answer then I think that people would be making changes already. But the change is there and Chris J was just one who pointed it out. Maybe...just maybe, it is the whole 'championship' thing that needs a rethink. Who knows? I wish I did...... D
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