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    Posted: 19 Jul 17 at 7:27am
When you say you "can't attend enough to be a contender" do you mean you sail a lot but only race once or twice a month (at my club twice a month would get you a result) or only sail once or twice a month? If the former the 300 may be an enjoyable challenge, if the latter, a frustrating pig of a thing...... 

I work away from home for half the year, two months here, two months there.

When I'm back I sail whenever I can, two or three times a week. I occasionally sail / train during the working week, though doing so means sailing alone as there aren't many others in a similar position.

I find that if my work schedule has me home for the start of the season then all is good. I'm reasonably competitive as everyone is getting up to speed after winter layup. My problem is that when I return home after a period overseas I struggle to catch up with those that have spent that time racing.

This is life, no point in complaining about it. To make the most of it I would like to be playing catch up in a boat that is more enjoyable to sail than my Laser.

I have always lusted after a Phantom. They look very well done. Those on our water are well sailed. At 80kg's I have always thought myself too light for the boat.

Which brings me to the Solution. Another boat I like, but one that hasn't seemed to take off. The Aero and D-Zero look to have superceded it. The D-Zero in particular is a good looking boat with some excellent reviews. 

Now we are looking at modern boats the RS100 needs a mention, if for no other reason than it looks like fun. Unfortunately as an asymmetric it wouldn't be best served at my Club. The reduction in the number of double handers in general and asymmetric's in particular means that we don't set courses to suit them.

The RS300 comes into the mix as an older boat at a good price, a reputation as a difficult but hugely rewarding boat to sail.
 
I haven't made a decision other than that I need to move on from the Laser. I'm still open minded about the options I have.

I'm looking at the 300 now because there is one for sale near me. 

I would expect the learning curve with the 300 to be a rather wet one. I'm not so concerned about being successful or competitive immediately. I understand from all I have read that it is a challenging boat to sail. What does concern me is my ability to make progress with the boat with the interuptions in my sailing that my work schedule brings. 
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf

........ At 80kg's I'm too light for a Phantom.....


No you aren't

Try one before you think its all fat blokes. Ok so 90% of the fleet drop in the 90-110kg range but, flat cut sail, high mod carbon mast and you will be suprised how easy it is to sail.
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When you say you "can't attend enough to be a contender" do you mean you sail a lot but only race once or twice a month (at my club twice a month would get you a result) or only sail once or twice a month? If the former the 300 may be an enjoyable challenge, if the latter, a frustrating pig of a thing...... 

Since last November I've raced most weeks, in the Blaze until I bought Supernova last month and every week since. I've raced 'dolly the sheep' three times so far and, after gelling with the Blaze almost straight away I'm really struggling to make her go. Try to get a test sail in the boats on your short list and remember (as somebody on here likes to say..... sorry I can't remember who or the precise words but the sentiment is more or less) "buying a boat is not a marriage, you can sell it on and buy something different without guilt"
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We had 2 sailors who tried that transition.  One sailed his 300 once and has now moved on.  The other is persevering and loving it.  For me the 300 has been a life long (it's not mine) love affair.  I've had one 20 years and I just love sailing it.  But I can also remember the hard times before I got over the hump of required skills.  It gave me some tough love!  You need to try before you buy.  If you get on with it then great.

Where are you based/do you sail?

And for me the line about the DZero that it's like a 300 but more forgiving is paradoxical. 
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The 300 is a boat that rewards (and to some extent needs) a lot of time in the boat as it will punish silly mistakes. So if you are a little rusty then expect to swim more. That said when I sailed one I liked it a lot, never had one out in a blow though.

D-Zero (serious bias here I am involved with the class) lovely boat. Described as like a 300 but more forgiving. If you want a sail in one drop me a line and i can probably put you in touch with someone local who would be willing.

I sailed a Laser for a long time (and dabbled in other classes). Had a D-Zero pretty much since launch and love it.
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So. Four years with a Laser and now I'm looking to change boat.

The Laser was always going to be a stepping stone to other things. Taught me to sail and get around a course. A bit like a first car, it got me going but isn't where I want to be.

I'm looking for a boat that is a pleasure to sail. 

I'm on the periphery of the racing scene, I enjoy taking part but cannot attend often enough to be a contender. It took me a while to accept that, but it isn't going to change any time soon, so better to enjoy the boat I'm sailing than to continue with one that isn't a great deal of fun just to be part of a single class fleet.There is enough of a mix in our Fast Handicap Fleet to make things interesting, should I find the right boat to join it.

The obvious choice would be one of the older classes, Solo, Streaker, Supernova (not Fast Handicap, 'though popular at my Club), but what appeals is the Aero, D-Zero, RS100. At 80kg's I'm too light for a Phantom, which is a shame as I think they are a beautiful boat.

Then we have the RS300. A bit of a wild card option. They are supposed to be a great boat to sail. A lot of fun, but a handful. 

I'm a reasonable helm, nothing special, mid fleet or a little higher.

I spent the first year or two falling out of my Laser, quite spectacularly on occasion, so getting wet hasn't yet faded from memory.

I'm tempted to go a little daft with the 300 for a while to see how I get on. Ten years from now the 300 will be far less of an option Smile
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