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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Fair and logical point but people are wierd..... if they don't want to win why do they buy the most competitive kit???? ans - we are all latent dreamers trapped in the sweaty, damp wet suit of reality. Edited by Bumble |
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Cheeky ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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At the risk of being controversial... I'll use the 400m as an example. the
athletes run several heats and then semis which determine there lane draw for the final race. Lanes in athletics can have a major advantage, you could compare this to the weighting of the new IOC / ISAF proposal going into the final race. All sorts of things can go wrong in that final athletics 400m race, from a crap start to gear failure ( pulled muscles ) to an outsider beating you, the weeks inform favourite. Why should sailing be any different. When it comes down to it the last 4 years of the athletes life are boiled down to one death or glory race. the pressure is on, and true champions shine under that pressure and Win. Is everyone here saying that for some reason sailing is a higher form of sport that requires a unique approach. It is true that sailing involves a fantastic amount of knowledge, some have said on this thread, scientific. What arrogance to suggest that other sports do not extent themselves to these higher understandings or tactics. should we now decide the 100m on the averaged results of the heats and semis or is athletics for the unintelligent, tactically and scientifically unaware sports man or woman. I think sailing and sailors need to wake up and smell the coffee. Modern sport almost with out exception at the Olympic level stretches the athlete to extremes in many more disciplines than just the chosen racing activity, Sailing is no special case in that respect. And should in my opinion move closer to other sporting formats regardless of TV coverage or not. There... i feel much better now.
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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Becoming "the champ" is surely a very small reason for choosing to sail a particular class. The vast majority of the sailors in ANY class will never be the champ. People may want to compete in Olympic classes to have the opportunity to race against the some of best sailors in the World and raise their game accordingly; maybe for the purpose of returning to non-Olympic classes later and being much more competitive. |
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gary145 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 116 |
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wow this is going to get messy! double points for the last race has been tried before at one of the first ISO nationals. I remember the idea was to try new courses and systems for scoring for this revolutionary class. As it turned out a good sailor won the event but the best sailor of the week didn't It was a shame for both of them as the winner was clearly embarrased at the prizegiving and the guy that should have won had to settle for a place.
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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There is an active tempest fleet at Ullswater YC- I've certainly seen quite a few racing when I go there. I know that it only applies to Olympic classes, but most things will be adopted by the class authorities etc., like olympic courses, more than 1 race a day etc. Even though there are double points for the last non-discardable race, it would still be possible for the race to be decided before the last race. For example if someone had a 20 point lead, then even if they dawled around 5 minutes behind everyone else came 10th and got 20pts, and the guy in 2nd got a 1st, and 2pts, then he would still win. try explaining that the guy who came last by a mile wins the event to the non- sailing public, it's not as simple as it appears. That would be a very rare case but it would be quite likely that the guy who comes 5th wins the gold, with the guy in 6th awarded a silver, and the race winner getting a bronze for example, wehich to me defeats the point of it. I think the system is fundamentally flawed-malthough I may have misunderstood the scoring. Also what would an OCS, DSQ, DNC or RTD score? 21 points, 22points, in this case the gold medalist needent evn come to the starting area, or could sail through the line with 50 secs to go, and keep going towards the boat park????!!!! I believe that the Olympics should represent slightly the sport we devote our time and money doing, so the sailors can be entertained by situations they understand and can relate to, and the public can have an insight into small boat racing.
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Cheeky ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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Fair dues...
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Only if your class votes for it! Surely "for all classes" means "for all the Olympic classes |
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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"This format will apply to all test events and the 2008 Olympic Regatta (for all classes)." This is what bothers me, meven for most of us who don't sail olympic classes, and will never compete at the olympics, this format may seep into the major UK classes national regattas. |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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As I dislike the act of not sailing the last race, I have said previously that I thought the idea of a non-discardable last race was a good one . I like this idea as well. According to the press release, so do the Olympic Classes representatives. Its easy to think of potential problems (that will probably not occur) or to pick fault (where little exists). If those who will be sailing to these rules are happy - let them get on with it. I look forward to watching 'the final' on the telly! |
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TonyL ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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Those of us who've been around a while and have seen several attempts
to make sailing more TV friendly have probably come to conclude that
sailing as a spectator sport doesn't work. Messing up the format of
Olympic sailing to try and meet the requirements of the idiot box is
IMHO a profound mistake. Enough said.
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