The Tasar v the Icon

seems a bit counter productive to have such a ropey demon boat doesn't it, with the accompanying implied criticism of the (extraordinarily well respected) builder on here by the designer its no great wonder its not really taken off. shame really,

Greame

Every class has a few key attributes ... reaching/fetching Icon with just the right amount of dangly pole is one of them.  Let the boat 'flow' and  be careful about over-sheeting .. but also be prepared for the apparent wind shifting quickly as speed builds faster than you think .. as in many other things timing is the key.  Get it right and in the groove and it is simply a fantastic boat to sail.    You find yourself looking further and further ahead ... cos you need too.

Are you on the salty stuff still ? 

Mike L.

Originally posted by Rupert Originally posted by iGRF we were all over the Merlin like a bad rash, the only area they clawed some of it back was downhill with their kite. Is that EN really so bad, then?

Yes it's definitely not a sub 970 boat, I'd say it's even steven with a Merlin, they have their moments we had ours, but ours were wind shift and course appropriate, we were only all over them because they couldn't use their kite. It was as usual at Hythe, a Contender course, with a Contender OOD and a Contender duly won. the Merlin got by us on handicap.

I'd say they should have given it 1000 as an EN then let it work down as better helms populated the fleet, as it is I suspect it'll settle 980 ish because of the high proportion of none kite suitable water that will inevitably populate the data, does anyone really thing it's faster than an RS400 on open water? Or a 470? it's certainly not as quick as a Contender, we just held it on one reach and we can keep it at bay in light weather, but once the wire is engaged upwind, sorry - game over.

It's actually very Phantom like in its performance, provided you have a Phantom sailor working hard. I'd also bet if Pete in his Blaze, raced Pete in his Icon once the wind was up, Pete in the Blaze would win, so work that one out... (This on the sea, obviously a different story inland, but then what happens inland dictates all our lives eh?

Edited by iGRF - 13 Oct 14 at 10:08am

Still only 10 or 15 points low, then, maybe, as opposed to the 50 that was being bandied about at first? There are many boats with the perception of being that far out (see OK thread), even with tons of returns.

Personally, I really, really hope it proves to be that sort of speed once the numbers are there to be crunched - it puts clear water between it and boats like the Albacore. If it really was 1020, then there would be many days that an Applecore, at what, 1060, would be able to beat it on the water. While that will still happen, maybe it will be rare. After all, isn't a simple, easy to sail, fast boat the holy grail?

Originally posted by Chris 249 Originally posted by iGRF  it's certainly not as quick as a Contender, we just held it on one reach and we can keep it at bay in light weather, but once the wire is engaged upwind, sorry - game over. Funny thing is that down here the Contender is rated just 0.75% (approx) quicker than a Tasar. I don't think that's fair, but oddly enough once we get off our puddle and down to the wider waters the Tasars normally beat the Contenders. Mind you, our local Tasars include two ex world champs, and while the Contenders are good they are nowhere near that level.

WL Course?

No Chance a Tasar would take a Contender on our water, especially if a Contender sailor is also OOD and sets a course with the wing mark a mile out and suitably tight on both legs..

Funny when I set the course they don't do so well with my big beats and deep angles with the wing mark not so far out, gives me a warm feeling them struggling to stay on the wire downhill and all the Assyms kite reaching all over them..

Edited by iGRF - 13 Oct 14 at 10:54am