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    Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by sandgrounder

Originally posted by Jamesd

Years ago i was disqualified from 4 races of a Laser national champs because the first 2 numbers of my sail number were blue (and not red). Basically the rule states that the first 2 and the rest of the numbers must be contrasting. I lost my hearing because apparently the colour blind tw*t of an umpire (f-ing jobs worth) couldn't clearly distinguish between the blue and the black on a dull day! Probably should have appealed......but got so fed up up with the class i sold my laser a week later. 
The blue numbers were there only because the morning of the regatta when i picked up the sail, they were all i could get hold of, i explained this.......but i still broke the rules! This wasn't performance enhancing in anyway, infact its probably the least effective way of "cheating" in any class, yet the rest of the fleet sail round like bumper cars and look away when crossing you on port.....but that is a different matter. 
 
 
Did you get a good price for the Laser?

Shhh they may come back at me and demand money for advertising and selling a laser when in fact it was totally b**tard-ised 
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I hope you sold it rather than just recycling it James. Worth a fortune, that is. How careless of someone to leave it bolted inside your boat ;-)
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Sorry to go back a bit but was driving so kissed it all...

The problem with rule adherence is that you either adhere or get dsq no matter how silly it seems. Otherwise who is to decide when it is serious enough to implement penalties? When is that little bit of reinforcing on your sail too long, 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
The only way would be a kangaroo court, I don't know maybe on a forum or the like, somewhere like y&y.
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Isn't that why the simple act of declaring to the RO beforehand demonstrates best intentions and hopefully the RO can make a sensible decision. That's what I would want to see in the SIs.
Leaving things to after the racing is too late and is what creates the awkward situations on all sides IMHO.
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Originally posted by GarethT

It's knowingly breaking a rule though.
 
Is there a hierarchy of optional rules?
 

No it is a binary situation when it comes to the protest room but less so when being judged by your fellow sailors, or forum lynch mob ...

I have never met anyone who would get excited about misplaced sail numbers unless it was a deliberate effort to make the numbers difficult to read such that the sailor may escape an OCS call.

With regards to new and illegal sail construction methods used by sponsored sailors in an attempt no doubt to achieve a speed advantage I can see plenty of people being unhappy about that.
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With regards to new and illegal sail construction methods used by sponsored sailors in an attempt no doubt to achieve a speed advantage I can see plenty of people being unhappy about that.


That's the thing though, it's not like Tape Drive is even new, it's been around for ages and ages!!!
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I have never met anyone who would get excited about misplaced sail numbers unless it was a deliberate effort to make the numbers difficult to read such that the sailor may escape an OCS call.

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Do you mean by reducing the number of digits?
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Originally posted by tgruitt

Originally posted by 2547



With regards to new and illegal sail construction methods used by sponsored sailors in an attempt no doubt to achieve a speed advantage I can see plenty of people being unhappy about that.


That's the thing though, it's not like Tape Drive is even new, it's been around for ages and ages!!!
How do we know if the sail is even the same size as a standard one? There will be no measurement certificate to validate this. The same applies to replica sails for other boats, how do we know they are the same sail area as there is no independent quality control that a class measurer will give?
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Originally posted by tgruitt

Originally posted by 2547

 
With regards to new and illegal sail construction methods used by sponsored sailors in an attempt no doubt to achieve a speed advantage I can see plenty of people being unhappy about that.

That's the thing though, it's not like Tape Drive is even new, it's been around for ages and ages!!!


Whether its new or not is irrelevant. It's not been used before in the class is question and has been ruled as out of class.

As an international class, the association has a documented procedure for changing its rules. This requires a submission from a member nation to the international organisation who then put the proposal to the remaining member nations. (From here on in I get a bit fuzzy Confused). There follows a vote and the proposal is either adopted or not. Whether the votes of all member nations carry the same weight I have no idea. We'll see what September brings.
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Originally posted by sandgrounder

...unless it was a deliberate effort to make the numbers difficult to read such that the sailor may escape an OCS call.
Do you mean by reducing the number of digits?

Well several ways spring to mind. Moving the sail numbers down the sail and behind a genoa would be one particularly glaring method.

Unfortunately for our man, in the case of a Laser where the last, what is it, 4 digits are supposed to be of a contrasting colour to make them easier to read, making the colours less contrasting would increase the difficulty of reading numbers in a stressed OCS situation, which is doubtless why the Lasers have the rule.

Sadly we live in a world where there are people who would say, "Oh, but the shop didn't have any red numbers" when that wasn't in fact the case, so the innocent end up suffering alongside the guilty.

Edited by JimC - 12 Feb 13 at 3:58pm
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