The Tasar v the Icon

There were two Tasars that were very good, pretty much matching our shift decisions although not quite that au fait tidally, one got by us but we got him back the other challenged but made a bad tide call and joined all those seeking flat water (flat water = less tide) not a good call when the tides on the push helping you round, the trick is to stay where the waves are breaking and use the channel markers as your windward marks rather than just blindly sail upwind.
Having now seen the results, they both got us on handicap which you can argue back and forth as to the rights and wrongs, they were better tuned to their boat than we, given it's the third time I'd sailed it and second time Andrew had been in it so the fact we were ahead suggests it's quicker, but we had a way better start, but they're better sailors, but we're better in tide, so even that all out it's certainly not nearly 50 points in their favour on handicap, half that might be more accurate.

Originally posted by Medway Maniac Just try sailing a Tasar to its PY at Redoubt. With the Icon, i suspect, it may well be possible. The Tasar is a high-wind hiking boat, so it doesn't surprise me much that they may have appeared evenly matched with the Icon in a windy, open water race. On a pond in lighter winds it would be another matter. And PY's are of necessity averages - otherwise we'd spend most of race days arguing with the RO about which PY suited the day...

I'll take the Tasar at 1018 over the Icon at 969 on the Redoubt, but I take you point and agree that is exactly the case, but then it proves the system at the moment just works for inland only. Like the Buzz, funny you never see those boys racing it on their home water of the Redoubt... Horses for courses, and the Icon now is a boat without a home for average sailors like us, unless you can find a fast red one of course

It needs to be set a couple of points slower than a Merlin wherever that settles, which should probably be around 975 with the Icon at 980 I'd say.

Edited by iGRF - 01 Sep 14 at 9:24am

Originally posted by iGRF Well that kind of decided it, the icon is only very slightly quicker and that was due to a good start by them,

OK, lets examine this statement a bit.
If I've transcribed the the results correctly, there were three Icons and 5 Tasars with the following elapsed times.

Icon     04:04:41
Icon     04:14:44               
Icon     04:16:23
               
Tasar     04:16:28
Tasar     04:23:21               
Tasar     04:32:20               
Tasar     04:37:36               
Tasar     04:43:05               

So all the Icons beat all the Tasars on the water.

Now lets look at averages.
If we average the corrected times for the Icons we get 04:20:00, and for the Tasars 04:25:47. If we average the corrected times of the first three Tasars we get 04:19:23.

As Grf says, I think that kind of decides it, and it demonstrates how easily our perceptions can trick us as to what is really going on...

Edited by JimC - 01 Sep 14 at 12:10pm

Originally posted by JimC Originally posted by iGRF Well that kind of decided it, the icon is only very slightly quicker and that was due to a good start by them, OK, lets examine this statement a bit. If I've transcribed the the results correctly, there were three Icons and 5 Tasars with the following elapsed times. Icon     04:04:41 Icon     04:14:44                Icon     04:16:23                 Tasar     04:16:28 Tasar     04:23:21                Tasar     04:32:20                Tasar     04:37:36                Tasar     04:43:05                So all the Icons beat all the Tasars on the water. Now lets look at averages. If we average the corrected times for the Icons we get 04:20:00, and for the Tasars 04:25:47. If we average the corrected times of the first three Tasars we get 04:19:23. As Grf says, I think that kind of decides it, and it demonstrates how easily our perceptions can trick us as to what is really going on...

Originally posted by kneewrecker , I read the results and saw Graeme Fuller came 19th out of 67 finishers, 70+ entries..... if that's not a bandit handicap at play, I'll eat my Sombrero.

That would be Graeme Fuller and Andrew Thompson came 19th, in fact take the cats out and we are in the top ten of our Fast Handicap fleet, which is entirely testament to his saving my ass on numerous occasions when we could have stacked it.