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    Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 12:04pm

Originally posted by Norbert

If the RS800 is considered a little tame but still manages to be the fastest boat in plus 10 knots and the I14 is gloriously overpowered and loved by all, perhaps RS should consider putting the I14 rig on the 800 hull. Now that would be a boat

I'm sure the main reason it is quicker round the course is the upwind speed, which is excellent in the 800.

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The trials wwere probably held in optimum conditions for a long heavy boat. Given more breeze the skiffs would probably slaughter the 800 downhill.
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this from the UK Cherub website:

ISAF Women's Olympic Skiff Trials Day 4:

Thursday 19th April 2007

There was much talk of more wind for this, the last day of these interesting and enjoyable equipment trials. All of the ‘main business’ of each of the nominated sailors having a sail in all of the boats and later filling in a questionnaire had been completed, so people chose which boat to sail.

Finding some rational method to choose a pair of teams to sail the Cherub Daemons from the moderately orderly queue of keen elite female sailors was a challenge, and in the end it was decided to offer sails to those who asked the earliest: This meant it was Lina Stroemquist and Tina Nilsson, two 470 sailors from Norway who had asked to have a go before the event even started in Badgers, and the Danish nominees Helle Orum-Nielsen and Maria Gade in Subtle Knife.

The wind was slightly fresher: It may have even had exceeded ten knots at times, and it was cloudy which gave the day a very different feel. After some sailing around a gate-start was arranged and the boats headed upwind on a short beat to a buoy. The RS800s and to a lesser extent the i14s got clean away, the extra rag, weight and length keeping them moving through the chop. Once the Cherub Dameon ‘Subtle Knife’ was clear to tack, that’s just what the Danes did, and then they were able to put the nose down, get back and use the T-foil properly. Watching from the RIB the speed difference was immediately apparent and at the windward mark the Cherub Daemon was comfortably ahead of both RS800s, which were followed by both i14’s. There followed a neat hoist and then they were away: Locked in on their way downhill: Unstoppable! They were persued by the evaluators RIBs: All eyes were on the Cherub Daemon! (See the pics taken by pro photographer Andrew Filipinski on www.digigraphics.co.uk - page 6 of the album has the sequence. Videos and GPS track coming soon.)

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After this the breeze went down and there were some boat-on-boat rabbit-start exercises. Then, all too soon, it was all over. People were getting on planes, boats were having their masts taken down and being lifted onto trailers. It was sad to see that our experiences in Hyeres were coming to an end so suddenly: The chance to show elite female sailors, and the administrators of our great sport, what we have to offer - and for them to all absolutely love it - was really special.


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Jim I fail to see what you have against the RS800.  It is an innovative, fast and extremely efficient boat. 

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

this from the UK Cherub website


Keep those words in mind when reading that piece!






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this from the RS800 website:

RS800 Aquits Itself at ISAF Evaluation Trials
The RS800 is emerging as the sailors’ choice at the ISAF Women’s High Performance Dinghy Evaluation Event in Hyeres. In a week of tricky, light conditions, the RS800 has performed extremely well with a range of sailors in test sails, and in head-to-head races with the other contending classes. While the ISAF Evaluation Team are not indicating any clear preference at this stage, the chat among the sailors, including current Olympian Shirley Robertson, is that the RS800 is the popular choice.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by combat wombat

It is an innovative, fast and extremely efficient boat

We'll have to agree to differ on most of those then. To my mind its a good mass market club sailors performance racing boat - which is, of course exactly what the designers were aiming at, so you have to give them full marks for hitting the spot. Whether the characteristics that make it that are equally appropriate for an elite boat for racing at the very top end of the sport is perhaps another matter.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by combat wombat

It is an innovative, fast and extremely efficient boat
 
Whether the characteristics that make it that are equally appropriate for an elite boat for racing at the very top end of the sport is perhaps another matter.


so........Laser?? 
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I'm loving the different versions of what came out of the trials from the different classes
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Post Options Post Options   Quote k_kirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 07 at 2:26am

Originally posted by Doug.H

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by combat wombat

It is an innovative, fast and extremely efficient boat
 
Whether the characteristics that make it that are equally appropriate for an elite boat for racing at the very top end of the sport is perhaps another matter.


so........Laser?? 

Following on Doug's thought... I am struggling with this notion of separating the club racers, youth boats etc from boats that are fit for the most elite in sailing, the top sailors who are there and wish to compete in the Olympics...

Look at some other sports competing in Olympics... Athletics, Badminton, Basketball, Boxing, Football, Gymnastics, Handball, Judo, Tennis, Volleyball, Weightlifting, Wrestling etc. the list goes on...

The point is, the venue & equipment used at the Olympic level for all these sports match exactly what is available and used to train from the most basic level of the sport all the way to the top.

So why are we so obsessed with having a boat that only the top of the top deserve and can sail? IMHO, any boat selected for the trials will do. Well, maybe not the single wire 29er... What is more important is that this class (Women's High Perf) indeed makes it into the games so we get the positive impact it will generate in women's sailing scene. 

I think rather than separating into camps discussing virtues of one boat over another we should all unite and lobby for the class itself. That is, assuming we all agree on the need to have a Women's High Perfornance class in the Olympics. Do we?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 07 at 8:45am
Originally posted by m_liddell

I'm loving the different versions of what came out of the trials from the different classes

Hilarious isn' it... Its an old tradition, as chris249 will tell you, there are so many versions of what went on at the trials that selected the FD and even the 49er ones...
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