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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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SUP or Sit on Kayak is probably as close as it gets, but hardly mass market, mass market means millions, SUP/Kayak sales get quantified in thousands and I doubt even globally they get beyond 6 figures.
If five thousand SUPS got sold here this year I would be really surprised as I would also be really surprised if five hundred dinghys got sold at retail. Lets face it if a new dinghy class sells fifty we'd all jump about going wow! ![]() Edited by iGRF - 27 Sep 18 at 11:13am |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Starter sups are gash in my experience. Just a tick box to say “I am an sup rider.”
The key thing about sup is that it requires precisely zero skill, fitness, experience, bravery or whatever to participate in, at least in the off the beach pootling market which I would venture makes 98% of sales. Being arsed to pump the thing up is the only physical or intellectual investment required. Yet somehow none of the manufacturers want to disavow the punters of the notion that they are crazy free sport gap year dudes in board shorts and trucker caps fuelled on red bull. That or highly empowered sun kissed relaxed yogic goddess lifestyle insta explorers for whom Taut cores are the thing not shot pelvic floors. Funny that. Imagine if you had to do Rya level one and two at a local training establishment to just know how to make The thing go back and forth safely whilst under professional supervison. Dan |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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LOL, there was a 'dude' at our beach on tuesday night as we were winded off for Tuesday night longboard racing. He minced by carrying his inflatable SUP fully styling his surfing boardies with BB cap on back to front.. We fell about. ![]() Edited by iGRF - 27 Sep 18 at 11:17am |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I know quite a number of sailors (young and old) who are self taught with a minimum of advice from a mate/parent. When I learned to sail many years ago it was how it was done, dad put me in a Oppy, pushed me off and pretty much let me figure it out for myself. Edited by Sam.Spoons - 27 Sep 18 at 11:33am |
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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![]() Nice, though of course quite where aging dinghy sailors chasing around after the latest new class, further atomising their club fleets, while complaining about PY racing, fits on the marketing vs reality scale I'm not sure...
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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Undoubtedly true (I'm definitely of the self taught school in all my leisure interests) but would suspect that those who stay the course in that case are either from sailing families or just very keen. I was somewhere on the border between those two. My dad is of the Practical Boat Owner school of sailing, technically a sailor but happiest with the boat high and dry on the mud taking the engine to pieces...so he triggered the interest in sailing, but wasn't a lot of use in how to actually sail. ![]() With SUP and kayaks even someone with no real interest in the technicalities of the sport can usually get in and go where they want in the first couple of minutes.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Joking aside, plonking someone new to sailing in a boat giving them the wiggle stick in one hand and the bit of rope to pull in the other in similar conditions to newcomers to SUP, i.e. light winds. What's the difference?
I could make an argument that technically SUP is more difficult since you have to balance and paddle only on the one side. It's all the RYA bureaucracy that makes entry to sailing difficult, level 1 level 2 ffs, it's a boat there's wind, you sail it, no rocket science unless of course you're trying to moneytise a corporate school system where the sale of instructor time is the principle income. Edited by iGRF - 27 Sep 18 at 1:30pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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It’s funny reading dinghy sailors views on SUPs- they echo my own old incorrect perceptions.
Try riding a low volume wave SUP on a 6ft face and say they require no skill... Similarly try paddling a proper race board - with only 25” board width and come back and say that has no fitness or finesse required. Of course these are products aimed at more experienced riders- and are arguably more attainable to the weekend warrior than say a moth or musty skiff, but they not easy by a long shot. entry level SUP stuff is very easily accessible, but then so is entry level dinghy kit too... things like the Hartley 12, the rotomoulded beach cats or even the good old Topper back in the day. We choose not to promote them to new club mates - why would we when they are easy pickings for ‘Upselling’ our old sh*t to, or at the very least maintaining price parity with what we paid for it. The difference is the initial pricing proposition and the depreciation expectation... that’s why one sport is growing and one is rapidly in decline. They ultimately offer something very similar - a way to relax and unwind on the water, and share casual times by a beach with friends and family. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Cross post ... well said grumpf
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If I was a boat builder I’d rather make a living selling 20 x £20k boats than 1000 x £400 ones every year.
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