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    Posted: 18 Nov 13 at 12:08pm
I've heard tales that some families based at the same club will join forces with another family to buy a motorhome and multiple stacker between them, taking turns to drive it and kids to events. Spreads the cost, spreads the travel burden- and the motorhome retains a decent resale value.
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Originally posted by iitick

Hang on! You just made my point. You and your parents had the degree of affluence which enabled you to make a choice that was convenient to you. Are you implying that Mr B & Q could finance his child's sailing in that way if he gave up beer and fags?

So many of the affluent middle classes have no idea of the financial gulf that exists between themselves and 'ordinary' workers.

I am sure that Mr B & Q could follow the circuit but with a tent and 02 Astra, lots of adult sailors do but please do not tell me that the Motorhome coralle at Graffham was not somewhere in the region of 'posh'.

Yes, he probably could, if the desire was there- and some smaller motorhomes are more economical and not that impractical to run as a family car.  I know plenty of windsurfers who run converted T-5s as cars as well as sports wagons.... they'd laugh if you called them posh, but they do tend to work for themselves in one form or another, and I can only assume that means they are sufficiently efficient at whatever it is they do to make ends meet.  

So B&Q bod, he or she could also take on more shifts, or get promoted, or aspire through searching for other jobs.  He or she could take on two jobs ... or do all the other things that people with aspirations to earn more do, which may include moving away to accept work which pay overseas, or living away from home M-F, retraining and re-skilling into a future resilient work area; or taking some bloody ugly risks by being truly responsible for their own income and setting up their own businesses.

None of that is as easy as rolling into the same stable, safe boring job for 40 years admittedly- with all its comforts, protections, unions, minimum wages and sick pay.  And you'd have to ask why anyone in retailing, at shop level (floor or managers office) would do all of that for a part of the sport which is run at weekends, and busy retailing weekends at that. 


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Sailing compared to most other popular sports is cheap, as I keep telling my friends at the masons lodge (only joking)

I play 5 aside twice a week at goals which is £6.50 a game or £650 a year!!

My friends golf membership is a £1000

Another mate pays £550 a year to watch Sheffield Wednesday who play the worst football in all the divisions.
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My dad took me around the circuit is a rusty old Volvo 244 ... we camped and had a great time.

For championships we sometimes used to rent a flat/house if it turned into the yearly family holiday; much to the disgust of my sister.

Youth sailing these days seems to be run on a very different budget ... 

Posh does not equate to wealthy IMO ... posh is going back to perhaps traditional class system references and harks back to "old money" ...
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Re your last post, your doing it again! You had the power to choose! Now I am retired and my 4 children are grown, to the point where they can be exploited. This year i have toured Europe by train and had a fab week in Tuscany exploiting the children. Venice in January with wife. I have time to look and time to decide. I could never have done these things when our children were dependent.
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Hang on! You just made my point. You and your parents had the degree of affluence which enabled you to make a choice that was convenient to you. Are you implying that Mr B & Q could finance his child's sailing in that way if he gave up beer and fags?

So many of the affluent middle classes have no idea of the financial gulf that exists between themselves and 'ordinary' workers.

I am sure that Mr B & Q could follow the circuit but with a tent and 02 Astra, lots of adult sailors do but please do not tell me that the Motorhome coralle at Graffham was not somewhere in the region of 'posh'.
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Originally posted by iitick

I do not wish to offend motor home owners...but, they do imply a certain degree of affluence. 



Not really- one of the tricks we learned early on was to join the Caravan Club- you could get overnight stays in farm locations with basic amenities for less than a Pie and a Pint in a Weatherspoons.  

We also used ours for family holidays in France, often other people you meet who do it for the pleasure of it are not really 'that posh'... just regular folks who don't happen to waste money in hotels and or on package holidays.  

There was also quite a few in the retired category... I guess they could have spent the money on a Once in a Lifetime World Cruise or something equally unimaginative.  Instead they've chosen to go explore and pick up local produce in a farmers market whenever it suits them, on their own terms; rather than eat seabass at the Captain's Table in a tuxedo, once per week, on the way to some dump of a port town somewhere 'exotic'.    

  


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Originally posted by rogerd

Originally posted by iitick

My Daily Mail comment was very tongue in cheek.
As far as I can see at our club adult membership is quite varied. We have Solicitors, teachers and plumbers. The one thing that we all are is 'respectable' and socially responsible. We all get along very well and the atmosphere is very pleasant. We are almost child free at the moment with a distinct lack of junior members but when they do appear and join they are usually propelled by wealthy ambitious parents. When I used to take the 'boy' to junior races I was the only parent with an old car and a trailer welded up from scrap. When we were at the Ovington Inlands last year there were 60? 29 ers all sailed by youth and accompanied by motor home parents.
I believe that the posh part of dinghy sailing is the youth part of dinghy sailing, the remainder is just respectable. 
Ah well, another couple of hours in bed, last nights kebab for breakfast, down to the bookie, pub for lunch and sleep it off in the dinghy park.....bliss.


Sorry cant see the link between posh and motorhomes. Its a practical way of keeping costs down. If you are going to support your children doing the circuit nearly every weekend and during the winter the B&B costs would be horrendous and there is somewhere to put your smelly wetsuits.
Its a financial choice that's all and at the end of the few years you will be driving said bus you have an asset to sell on.

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and another reason to have one is that you can tow behind it.  When I was a kid on the Oppy circuit, once more than one boat was needing to be transported, you'd often see a family split into two cars- one pulling boats, one pulling a caravan.  We did ourselves for a while, and then realised the motorhome solution would be better.

My parents sold their motorhome for a little more than they paid for it.  Similarly any keelboat they've had has always paid itself back upon sale... the total cost of ownership (depreciation + running cost) was far less than a family saloon car from a not-particularly-special marque on a typical main dealer finance plan.  I've certainly lost more on a dinghy than they've ever lost on a family cruiser.

I love how making choices on your disposable income makes you 'posh'- another example of consumerist society that's ultimately f**ked by the need to judge oneself by how one is perceived by other people.    
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I do not wish to offend motor home owners...but, they do imply a certain degree of affluence. I would have loved a motorhome but it would have been extra to 2 family cars. Not to mention the cost of purchasing the machine.

What do we mean by the word 'posh'? Do we mean affluent? Do we (in a round about way) mean motivated?

In do not see some guy stacking shelves in B & Q buying his child a newish Laser and a motorhome to follow his offspring through the squad system?

Youth sailing, on the whole, is a middle class, posh, pursuit. When we grow up it is respectable but less posh.
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Originally posted by iitick

My Daily Mail comment was very tongue in cheek.
As far as I can see at our club adult membership is quite varied. We have Solicitors, teachers and plumbers. The one thing that we all are is 'respectable' and socially responsible. We all get along very well and the atmosphere is very pleasant. We are almost child free at the moment with a distinct lack of junior members but when they do appear and join they are usually propelled by wealthy ambitious parents. When I used to take the 'boy' to junior races I was the only parent with an old car and a trailer welded up from scrap. When we were at the Ovington Inlands last year there were 60? 29 ers all sailed by youth and accompanied by motor home parents.
I believe that the posh part of dinghy sailing is the youth part of dinghy sailing, the remainder is just respectable. 
Ah well, another couple of hours in bed, last nights kebab for breakfast, down to the bookie, pub for lunch and sleep it off in the dinghy park.....bliss.


Sorry cant see the link between posh and motorhomes. Its a practical way of keeping costs down. If you are going to support your children doing the circuit nearly every weekend and during the winter the B&B costs would be horrendous and there is somewhere to put your smelly wetsuits.
Its a financial choice that's all and at the end of the few years you will be driving said bus you have an asset to sell on.

Edited by rogerd - 18 Nov 13 at 11:00am
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