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    Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 4:36pm

last years irc ratings for p762's

 

Boat Name Sail No Cert No Valid Date TCC TCC Non spi Crew Hull Factor DLR LOA Beam Draft Headsails Series Date Age Date Racing area SSS Base Value Category ValidCode
THE BIG PURPLE GBR7620R 7614 26/03/08 0.966 0.948 5 10.5 152.56 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1995 3 12 N yes
ZULU GBR7622R 8166 12/03/08 0.970 0.950 5 10.5 148.37 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1996 6 12 N yes
CRUMPET GBR7626R 8407 22/01/08 0.970 0.955 5 10.5 152.74 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1996 20 12 N yes
SOLARIZED GBR7628R 15976 12/05/08 0.976 0.955 5 10.5 148.37 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1996 13 12 N yes
PROPER JOB GBR7629R 8460 27/03/08 0.966 0.953 5 10.5 152.47 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1996 2 12 N yes
GUN RUNNER GBR7630R 9271 01/07/08 0.975 0.958 5 10.5 149.02 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 1 12 N yes
LONGSHOT GBR7631R 9421 19/03/08 0.969 0.955 5 10.5 152.56 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 2 12 N yes
UPSTART GBR7633R 9532 14/03/08 0.972 0.955 5 10.5 149.04 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 1 12 N yes
PINK FIZZ GBR7634R 12221 24/07/08 0.967 0.950 5 10.5 151.9 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 3 12 N yes
RADIO STAR GBR7637R 9832 29/04/08 0.972 0.958 5 10.5 149.21 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 1 12 N yes
BANANAMAN GBR7638R 9798 06/06/08 0.969 0.950 5 10.5 150.05 7.61 2.59 1.68 Multiple 1995 1998 2 12 N yes
THE WORKS GBR7639R 15566 29/04/08 0.976 0.963 5 10.8 143.72 7.61 2.59 1.67 Multiple 1995 1998 2 11 N yes

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detente,

Thanks for the response, i cant remember where id read that piece of info, might of been on the rorc site.  i have been looking at the displacement length ratios alot lately to see if there is any corralation, the corbys and such like might be too heavey for their length under present rating logic, but a p762 might be light enough to pull it off.  the trouble is scaling doesnt work well in boats so is more than likely a road to no where.  just daydreaming again.

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Hi Olly

In a way code 0`s are getting slightly hammered under IRC. This is due to Mr W-O believing A spinnaker made from sail cloth (eg carbon/Kevalr etc) is more of a genoa. However sailmaker in bigboat stuff seem to be developing towards flat A-sails made of conventional cloth, (A1, A2, A3 etc). IRC seems not to have caught onto this one too much as being made of Spinnaker cloth it is deemed a spinnaker, but being super flat it can be carried very close to the wind. Hence lots of the IRC zero + super zero fleet moving towards fixed stubby bowsprits.

We have a Corby 29 down this way that is thinking of trying this so will see how it works out on a boat this size if ready for this season.......

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im sure i heard somewhere code 0's are becoming favourable.......
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Chic

Im sure you dont need advice on sail design etc being a Hyde agent in scotland, But from a point of view from the kite size and it effect on an IRC rating we have found 45m2 to be a minimum size and 50m2 to be a max size for projection kites. Any more than 50m2 the rating goes through the roof and is more often than not completely unmanagable when windy.

With regard to Headsail overlap area yes the smaller the overlap on the headsail the more the rating will drop. Obviously if you go too far the boat will stop in light airs as being a comparatively heavy hull we have found you need full area to keep her driving in the light stuff. We found 140 - 145% overlap to be the optimum between rating benefit + performance trade off. 

 

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47m2 kite is a good size with minimal impact on your rating, we're moving our hoist up 600mm for use with the 48m2 and using the old point as a choker for the 2 smaller kites @ 38m2. 

IRC are penalising fatter head mains more now but seem to allow for more area on at the back of the boom, does mean a less head room though.

135% is a good size, anything over 140% and you get hit.  (i would like to know what just going for a lightweight and heavey weight 115% would do to the rating.  just from my observations it doesnt knock your speed over the course as much as you'd think.  best save that one for if's, buts and maybes though!)

i'd still like to get hold of a Cork rig and keel and see what that does, but the bank account wont let that happen.....

 

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I'm looking for advice from you IRC and SBR experts. I've been ordering some new sails.. Main and number 3 so far. Considering a 47m2 kite - we're still using the original spinnaker hoist position so I reckon that this is about the maximum useable kite size for this... What do you think? 

I've also asked for a price for a 135% genoa for our SBR application (that's the plan for the Scottish Series rather than IRC). Is this a sensible move or will it be too small for lighter breeze? We already have a 150% genoa... Let me know before I empty my bank account...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote detente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 09 at 12:18pm
 I see gunrunners on the market if anyones loonking for a rocket ship

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Post Options Post Options   Quote F Word Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 09 at 9:20pm

No.  Not at all, old keel with some additional bolts.  I have drilled down through lead and added 3 x 24mm stainless stud, also core drilled right through keel and added 50mm piece of prop shaft which the stainless stud is threaded right the way through, then epoxied.  Bit like a beefed up Ikea kit.  The reason apparantly is common in earlier boats. They had the stainless top plate welded to the keel bolts.  When you tightened the bolts you simply pulled the plate tighter to the hull, you could not increase upward tension on lead.  The nature of soft and malleable lead means the stainless armature  will need more tension with age.  I noticed a sight movement upon "wobbling" in slings

Bright side is apparantly all boats have had mod but mine!  Now its had it with extra beef.  Wouldnt increase mass as lead is denser than stainless.

 All other boats had mods out of first dozen with this type of keel.  It seems all but mine were modified.

  The boat was weighed with cushions and battery ( a very small dry cell thing, also with 25kg 2 stroke outboard, with minimum fuel).  Also been out the water for a while.  

Apparantly its 1 point per 50kg.  That could give us 3 points  0.965.  Still waiting for sail measurements......

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interesting to hear about the weight, have you put a different keel on.  I reckon your IRC should go down quite a bit and would be interested to see the numbers.
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